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I don't believe we've been to the moon and SpaceXs failure further convinces me.

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MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 17:30

I know I've posted this before and the majority of you think I'm batty, but I don't think we've landed on the moon.

3 billion USD, a giant leap in technological advances and yet it can't even launch.

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Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 20:04

Tal12 · 20/04/2023 18:15

The moon is 384,400 km from Earth, the ISS is 408km away. Slight difference. I’m with you OP! Cold War space race propaganda, absolutely no way we’ve ever been to the moon! We studied it for our critical thinking AS level at school. Each to their own though, could be wrong - we’ll never know!

So the Voyager missions at something like 30,000,000,000 km from Earth must also be fake?

Wonnle · 20/04/2023 20:05

That Musk bloke needs a few Nazi rocket scientists like the god old US of A had !

MissConductUS · 20/04/2023 20:05

Candymay · 20/04/2023 20:00

This is one conspiracy theory that I could actually get on board with. Definitely strange that the feat has never been accomplished since.

The Apollo program managed six manned landings on the moon over the course of four years. How many times do you think they should have gone back?

https://www.space.com/apollo-program-overview.html

The Apollo Program: How NASA sent astronauts to the moon

An overview of the history and accomplishments of NASA's Apollo missions.

https://www.space.com/apollo-program-overview.html

Qilin · 20/04/2023 20:06

AliceMay55 · 20/04/2023 17:34

I too think the conspiracy theory could be true, it was in the fcuking 1969 !! Why the f can’t we do it in 2023?
India’s Chandrayaan -2 failed too - didn’t it!

Lots of things are launched into space now. We CAN still do it - rockets and spacecraft are sent into space fairly regularly.
Do you also think the ISS is fake?

rainydaysandstormynights · 20/04/2023 20:07

Haven't RTFT, but I don't think "we've" been trying to return to the moon much lately, have we? We saw what was there, proved it could be done, but there wasn't much incentive to keep going back.

It's always been a risky prospect, launching rockets into space, and it's always had a certain amount of failure and setbacks. Wasn't this latest one much larger? (Clearly I've not been following it..) They're pushing the limits, so it's not surprising that there will failures along the way.

notimagain · 20/04/2023 20:07

Wonnle · 20/04/2023 20:05

That Musk bloke needs a few Nazi rocket scientists like the god old US of A had !

Just for you..😉

Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun

Tom Lehrer on public domain (2020):https://tomlehrersongs.com/https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Lehrer-Collection/dp/B0039TD73GUse the above link and get the uninte...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

LaughingCat · 20/04/2023 20:07

Ohhhh…these threads.

The space race in the Sixties was a politically-fuelled non-violent war. The demarcation of power across the world hung in the balance, against a backdrop of growing nuclear threat. These countries were motivated to get up there to prove their worth.

The maths, engineering and physics were advanced but perfectly possible using the technology at the time.

Nowadays, we have billionaire playboys half-assing it for headlines. Elon Musk is more interested in crafting Tweets and PR stunts to increase share price than he is in actually getting to the moon. And anyone who’s looked at Tesla can tell you that their fail rate is the only really impressive thing about them. And wasn’t he releasing some cutting-edge affordable solar energy capture units for our homes that never materialised as well?

What I take from the failed SpaceX launch is ‘overweening narcissist falls short again’, not ‘proof we didn’t go to the moon fifty years ago’.

Vitriolinsanity · 20/04/2023 20:07

Musk seems more to me that he wants to get to Mars on the same way climbers wanted to get to Everest's peak or the Poles, probably more like mariners that sailed with no real clue of what lied beyond. It hasn't been done yet, so it's next. Then you have to find people that know for certain that even if they made it, they sure as shit ain't coming back.

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 20:08

Lauz841 · 20/04/2023 18:26

I understand what you're saying and I've thought about this a few times. Im not saying that i dont believe it happened, but just that i have an open mind about it. The moon landing was in 69, and I just find it very difficult to think of a solid, valid reason why we (as a species) have never done it again. I can obviously think of many reasons, but with the huge advances in technology I really would have thought someone would have succeeded since the 60's.

Strangely NASA haven't been able to find a good enough reason why they should do it again.

Vegetus · 20/04/2023 20:08

viques · 20/04/2023 20:00

Gosh, I didn’t realise we had someone on board who could so confidently include themselves in NASA s future plans.

🙂

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I meant 'we' in terms of the human race. It is their plan, if you have any interest in the field which I do you would know that.

funnelfan · 20/04/2023 20:10

For all those people who seriously don't believe it happened (and not those who aren't on a wind up mission), which bits do you think were faked? Every single one of the Apollo missions, or just Apollo 11 through to 17? Which part of the missions - the launches that thousands of people watched from Cape Kennedy would have been difficult to fake, so were the radar and other tracking data from institutions all over the globe. Do you think they just circled the earth for a few days before landing? Again, they'd have been noticed by all the amateur enthusiasts all around the globe. Or did they all go to the moon but go round and come back again like the crew in Apollo 13? Or were the rockets unmanned and every single astronaut was in a tv studio, which somehow had anti-gravity technology for all the tv specials showing the astronauts in space. Did aliens leave the retroreflectors on the moon's surface?

Dwrcegin · 20/04/2023 20:10

MagicSpring · 20/04/2023 17:53

Choice of four of the Apollo astronauts still alive, so you could always ask them:
Buzz Aldrin (Apollo 11)
David Scott (Apollo 15)
Charles Duke (Apollo 16)
Harrison Schmitt (Apollo 17)

Or the Lunar and Planetary Institute has rock samples:

I wouldn't ask Buzz, he has a tendency to punch anyone who has moon landing doubts.

Pissed Off Astronaut Punches a Wannabe Reporter

Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, Jr. reacts violently to accusations that he never went to the Moon. Can you blame him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyaPfTjvV8s

Qilin · 20/04/2023 20:10

I too think the conspiracy theory could be true, it was in the fcuking 1969 !!

Or do you mean just the moon landings?
Well it didn't just happen once.
And it stopped due to financial and political reasons iirr.

HyacinthBookay · 20/04/2023 20:11

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 17:40

I mean this is MN, the bar for discussion isn't very high, if you'd rather discuss not using people's washing line/the attractiveness of obsese women 🙄or weird made up family dynamics you are, in fairness, spoilt for choice.

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well, you have started a thread where the bar is even lower - and far less entertaining - than any of those threads.

Candymay · 20/04/2023 20:12

GrouchyKiwi · 20/04/2023 20:02

There have been SIX crewed moon landings. Is doing it five more times not enough replication?

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Well now I’m embarrassed. I missed the last 5 landings So why is there a conspiracy theory about the moon landing if they’ve been back and forth multiple times?

I’m very tired and overworked is my excuse for ignorance!

SwedishEdith · 20/04/2023 20:14

bobby81 · 20/04/2023 19:50

I agree OP. I have some very interesting conversations with DP about it because he loves space & knows a lot about it but even he can't convince me.

Again, can't tell who's spoofing. If I was your partner, I'd be seriously questioning the relationship.

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 20:14

Tal12 · 20/04/2023 18:15

The moon is 384,400 km from Earth, the ISS is 408km away. Slight difference. I’m with you OP! Cold War space race propaganda, absolutely no way we’ve ever been to the moon! We studied it for our critical thinking AS level at school. Each to their own though, could be wrong - we’ll never know!

Getting out of the atmosphere and getting safely back through it is the tricky but.

Sturnip · 20/04/2023 20:18

Candymay · 20/04/2023 20:12

Well now I’m embarrassed. I missed the last 5 landings So why is there a conspiracy theory about the moon landing if they’ve been back and forth multiple times?

I’m very tired and overworked is my excuse for ignorance!

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I think bobby81’s post captures it;

”I agree OP. I have some very interesting conversations with DP about it because he loves space & knows a lot about it but even he can't convince me.”

Basically, the disbelief is confined to those who know little or nothing about the topic but who are stubborn enough to dismiss the explanations and evidence of people who actually know a thing or two.

Neededanewuserhandle · 20/04/2023 20:19

MumUndone · 20/04/2023 19:02

I think it's weird everyone believes it happened, sort of like a reverse conspiracy theory. We simply didn't have the technology then, we just didn't.

Utter shit - we categorically did have the technology. I and others have posted examples. I was alive in 1969 too.

MasterBeth · 20/04/2023 20:21

Bunch of loons on this thread.

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 20:22

Nimbostratus100 · 20/04/2023 18:34

yes you can. There are Chinese robots on the surface of the moon right now, and clearly visible. YOu cant do secret things on the moon, every government in the world sees you arrive and sees what you do

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Which was the point of the moon landings. It was to demonstrate to the soviets that if they can get men on the moon they can certainly hit anywhere on Earth with something big to really hurt.

Neededanewuserhandle · 20/04/2023 20:22

funnelfan · 20/04/2023 20:10

For all those people who seriously don't believe it happened (and not those who aren't on a wind up mission), which bits do you think were faked? Every single one of the Apollo missions, or just Apollo 11 through to 17? Which part of the missions - the launches that thousands of people watched from Cape Kennedy would have been difficult to fake, so were the radar and other tracking data from institutions all over the globe. Do you think they just circled the earth for a few days before landing? Again, they'd have been noticed by all the amateur enthusiasts all around the globe. Or did they all go to the moon but go round and come back again like the crew in Apollo 13? Or were the rockets unmanned and every single astronaut was in a tv studio, which somehow had anti-gravity technology for all the tv specials showing the astronauts in space. Did aliens leave the retroreflectors on the moon's surface?

I think you are making the mistake of assuming they have even considered all this rather than just saying "but it was 1969, we didn't even have Youtube" and then sticking their fingers in their ears.

Suzi888 · 20/04/2023 20:24

“I mean this is MN, the bar for discussion isn't very high, if you'd rather discuss not using people's washing line/the attractiveness of obsese women 🙄or weird made up family dynamics you are, in fairness, spoilt for choice.”

You’re not wrong!

notprincehamlet · 20/04/2023 20:25

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