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Teacher salary pro rata?

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JackSheepskin · 18/04/2023 16:16

So I might be an idiot… but I’ve seen a lot recently about how teachers aren’t paid for the holiday periods, their salary is pro rata and paid equally over 12 months.

Therefore if I saw a job advert for £60k, does that mean you don’t actually get £60k but whatever remains from that salary after the additional 6 weeks holiday is taken off? Or is the salary advertised already pro rata?

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ActDottie · 18/04/2023 20:15

User1990C · 18/04/2023 16:56

A teaching job is not a deputy head job.

It usually takes around 10 years minimum to become an assistant principal, and another 5-10 to be a deputy principal (unless the school is inadequate or RI where SLT were culled).

my brother took 8 years to become a headteacher… so no you don’t need that much experience

OutDamnedSpot · 18/04/2023 20:15

Apologies if someone’s already mentioned this, but the ridiculous thing about using the Scottish pay scales is that the strikes were called off there after reaching a pay agreement. The pay offered to English teachers was about £10k per person below the Scottish scale - and that offer is apparently now off the table.

moveoverye · 18/04/2023 20:18

Teachers are paid an annual rate, they are not pro rata unless part time. They ARE paid for the holidays.

I think that the point teacher want to get across is that they do not get paid much per hour.

Runnerduck34 · 18/04/2023 20:18

Teacher pay will be as advertised and not pro rotad so in your example they would get the full 60k for term time working. No deduction for summer holiday etc although i know teachers do some work during the holidays.

Teaching assistant and support staff pay is pro rotad so if advertised at 22k it will be pro rotad to 38 weeks a year / term time only and theyll actually be paid 16k ish per annum.

Sherrystrull · 18/04/2023 20:19

Botw1 · 18/04/2023 20:04

@Sherrystrull

I didnt imply you were lying.

So what did you mean with your post at 19.02?

What doesn't surprise you?

surreygirl1987 · 18/04/2023 20:19

my brother took 8 years to become a headteacher… so no you don’t need that much experience

I have to admit that is a little concerning, unless he had a previous career. I guess it's another sign of the times when there are fewer people with experience applying!

noblegiraffe · 18/04/2023 20:20

ActDottie · 18/04/2023 20:15

my brother took 8 years to become a headteacher… so no you don’t need that much experience

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That demonstrates how desperate the situation is.

No one should be a headteacher after 8 years.

Botw1 · 18/04/2023 20:21

@Sherrystrull

I already answered you.

It doesn't surprise me that teachers think they work longer/harder than anyone else.

It's certainly the overwhelming impression they give.

Musicalmistress · 18/04/2023 20:23

@MrsHamlet
I'm intrigued - are you primary or secondary?
@spanieleyes
We've obviously found the same article 😂

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 20:24

@Musicalmistress secondary.
My role is effectively SLT but without the pay or the lighter timetable load!

FiftyNotNifty · 18/04/2023 20:25

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 20:13

I am one. I do not. But I only know one other of me.... and I know a lot of teachers.

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Oh wow! I'm really interested in this, I thought it hadn't even got off the ground! Are you primary or secondary?
(Apologies for derailing, and no offence taken if you'd rather not discuss!)

FiftyNotNifty · 18/04/2023 20:25

Crossed posts sorry!

Musicalmistress · 18/04/2023 20:26

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 20:24

@Musicalmistress secondary.
My role is effectively SLT but without the pay or the lighter timetable load!

Sounds a bit like my post as a primary PT - slight bump in salary (we're all paid at point 1 & I've been teaching 20+yrs), a little extra time out class for management duties but a whole heap of additional responsibilities?

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 20:27

@FiftyNotNifty I'm in England. I think I said that upthread. I am not one of the unicorn 5, sadly!

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 20:27

Musicalmistress · 18/04/2023 20:26

Sounds a bit like my post as a primary PT - slight bump in salary (we're all paid at point 1 & I've been teaching 20+yrs), a little extra time out class for management duties but a whole heap of additional responsibilities?

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SNAP!

Musicalmistress · 18/04/2023 20:27

FiftyNotNifty · 18/04/2023 20:25

Crossed posts sorry!

I'm fascinated too! I've never met, heard of or come across a lead teacher, even on SM etc

Musicalmistress · 18/04/2023 20:29

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 20:27

@FiftyNotNifty I'm in England. I think I said that upthread. I am not one of the unicorn 5, sadly!

Aaah! I thought you were one of our unicorns!! 😂

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 20:31

Sorry to disappoint: I don't shit rainbows 🤣
It's probably on my job description though...

AintNobodyHateMeBetter · 18/04/2023 20:35

SweetChilliGirl · 18/04/2023 17:49

But nurses get overtime, right? Teachers do hours and hours of unpaid overtime every week and during every holiday.

Lots of people work overtime in their industry and not get paid for it. I have to work weekends on top of my 11hour working days and guess what...it's just part of my contract that sometimes my work will require additional worked days with no extra pay.

The OP was indicating that the argument that they aren't paid for holiday doesn't really stand as it's not deducted as such from their salary but already factored in.

dryingstuff · 18/04/2023 20:37

not being funny but teaching is an awful profession for flexible working with as many, if not more working mums pushed out than other professions. Very hard to drop down days from full time.

My teacher friends & family who have stayed in the profession have said this is one of the pluses. Being able to drop to different patterns of p/t after dc but not been held back progressing. I do think there are huge differences depending on SLT culture.

Flora56 · 18/04/2023 20:38

Lots of people work overtime in their industry and not get paid for it. I have to work weekends on top of my 11hour working days and guess what...it's just part of my contract that sometimes my work will require additional worked days with no extra pay

Sounds awful… have you considered teaching instead?

Botw1 · 18/04/2023 20:40

@Flora56

When are you leaving teaching?

BakedBear · 18/04/2023 20:40

Teachers in England can't earn £60k. The very top of the pay scale is nowhere near that.

Flora56 · 18/04/2023 20:41

When did I say I was leaving?

Sherrystrull · 18/04/2023 20:43

Botw1 · 18/04/2023 20:21

@Sherrystrull

I already answered you.

It doesn't surprise me that teachers think they work longer/harder than anyone else.

It's certainly the overwhelming impression they give.

When did teachers say they work harder than anyone else?

I truly don't understand how explaining how many hours I work means I think I work harder than other people. I can't comment on other jobs.