Teacher salary pro rata?

[JackSheepskin]

So I might be an idiot… but I’ve seen a lot recently about how teachers aren’t paid for the holiday periods, their salary is pro rata and paid equally over 12 months.

Therefore if I saw a job advert for £60k, does that mean you don’t actually get £60k but whatever remains from that salary after the additional 6 weeks holiday is taken off? Or is the salary advertised already pro rata?

Why don’t lots of those mums become teachers then? When it’s well paid and the conditions are good for a family life? Why is recruitment and retention such a big issue?

Yep exactly!

Why don’t lots of those mums become teachers then? When it’s well paid and the conditions are good for a family life? Why is recruitment and retention such a big issue?

Exactly-they are more than welcome to become teachers.

@Flora56 work culture, flexibility, options, diversity, inclusivity. There are a lot of problems within the teaching profession not just external pressures. In a non teaching job it's easier to move around, move skills around, retrain. Many people these days have a few careers in a working life and I'd say I'm one of them so teaching is somewhere that people seem to find it hard to move out of. Maybe ultimately it's that vocation thing that's missing for me. A lot of teachers value being valued by society, but I'm like most people doing a job that's invisible to most. I do enjoy it! But it's different and less holiday, less pay but nicer options.

@Worriedmotheroftwo not being funny but teaching is an awful profession for flexible working with as many, if not more working mums pushed out than other professions. Very hard to drop down days from full time.

@Sherrystrull

Apply for one of those jobs then

Thats the stock response, right?

where are you getting this? All you are showing is a edited table with no source, not in any way related to the salary that I am on and have been on for decades. Where is the advert you said you saw?

Why not? It’s so good and lots of vacancies. Why is that?

We are paid the full advertised salary to work 195 days plus - I think - 5 weeks of annual leave.

it is also extremely blurry and unreadable

I don't want to leave teaching. I just don't like the implication I'm lying about the hours I work.

It's a table of Scottish teacher salaries from EIS union website.

www.eis.org.uk/new-pay-offer/paytables

Yet still no-one can answer why - schools in England have critical shortages, schools are going without specialist teachers and they have significantly missed their training targets. Not only are we haemorrhaging teachers - we aren’t replacing them.

Yet, no-one can say why. Just that teaching is such a good deal; so good they are all leaving and not training. How odd.

@Sherrystrull

I didnt imply you were lying.

Jesus, I think I shall head to Scotland!

I'd hate to be a teacher, its not the pay that would prevent me from wanting the job.
Even if it was 50 or 60 k I still wouldn't want to do it.

Better pay but still similar issues with workload & conditions 😜

Just a couple of things....
A "lead teacher" isn't a thing in Scotland, don't know if it is elsewhere?
I think the salaries are reasonably decent BUT if you don't progress into management (which by it's very nature isn't teaching), you reach the top of the scale quite quickly and then sit there, potentially for 30+ years!
The days which are not school days or holiday entitlement (c.5 weeks) are "school closure days". Teachers are not paid for these.

Of course, if people want schools to be open 365 days a year then they will have to be prepared to pay for it. So increased teachers salaries, ( always assuming you can find the extra teachers needed to cover the extra time ) increased support staff salaries, admin salaries, caretaking salaries, increased utility payments, increased spending on wear and tear, disposable materials ………. The country should be nicely bankrupt at the end of year two.

Always worth remembering that school holiday lengths are pretty well international, and that UK school holiday lengths come down quite low in comparison tables.

@Musicalmistress
Granted but an extra £10000 a year would go some way to making me feel better about it!

Has anyone ever come across a lead teacher? Do they look like unicorns?

I’ve got friends who are nurses. They do a long shift, but when they get home, they are done for the day.

When I used to teach, it’s a similar length day to nurses (private secondary) but when I got home, there’s another 3-4 hours of work to do every night and I would routinely work one day of the weekend (unpaid, whereas nurses would be paid for overtime)

I’m genuinely not trying to pit the two professions together as I have a huge respect for nurses and couldn’t do what they do. However, when I house shared with nurses, together we calculated that even with the teacher holidays, I still worked way more hours than they did.

I work in education (not a teacher). It's like any job in some respects, once you climb the ladder it's well paid but the stone of flesh also comes with it.

However keep in mind like most organisations it's pyramid shaped and it's awful at the bottom which is where a lot reside. Not just the pay but the conditions and extra work required. I doubt there are many teachers (ie ones that teach all day every day) that earn £60k.

I am one. I do not. But I only know one other of me.... and I know a lot of teachers.

@FiftyNotNifty

Apparently there are FIVE in the whole of Scotland!

@FiftyNotNifty officially Lead Teachers are a thing but a bit like Nessie - rarely spotted in the wild!
It was a Scot Gov initiative introduced a couple of years ago so that there was some form of progression for those staying in the classroom, similar i suppose to Chartered Teachers, but it's never taken off and according to the TES article below there were only 5 in the whole of Scotland at the end of last year.

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/scotland-lead-teachers-career-opportunities