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GroundFogDay · 14/04/2023 10:50

DH is currently not talking to me and I think he's being a bit ridiculous.

We were talking last night about hypothetical situations, wasn't a serious conversation at first but then he brought one up and asked what I'd do in a situation where both he and DSCs mum had died, he assumed I'd say they'd stay living with me but I answered honestly that they wouldn't and I'd assume would go to some family or another (H doesn't have much family but their mum has some).

It got pretty serious then, the conversation, with DH asking me why I wouldn't want them to live with my and our children and again I answered honestly that I wouldn't want to become full time parent to two more children and I didn't think it was my responsibility.

He was upset by it, we argued and now he's still not talking to me. AIBU to think he's being silly over a situation that is very very unlikely to ever actually happen?! And I guess AIBU to have said what I said when he asked? I'm surprised in that situation he'd expect me to be the one to take on DSC full time rather than their families (DH and exs).

I feel ridiculous having an argument over a situation that's not even going to occur. But he says it shows how I really feel i.e. about them not being responsibility. Would you be hurt if your spouse said what I said?

YABU you'd be hurt if your spouse said the same.

YANBU he shouldn't be expecting it anyway and it's silly to argue over a hypothetical.

OP posts:
Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:04

Bamboux · 14/04/2023 20:38

That is a very hardline and restrictive view that you have of care for children in general.

I don't have stepchildren, but I feel responsibility to some extent for lots of children I know - close friends' children mainly.

I could not see e.g.my best friend's two children go into care. I'd have to take them if no one else could. I am not a particularly maternal person but I feel like we all have some responsibility towards children we know and care for.

I think most people would expect the op to at the very least think about it and discuss it, rather than just a flat-out no.

100%. I would take my nieces in without a second’s hesitation, as well as the children of my best friend were it required.

IamSuperTired · 14/04/2023 21:05

I think this is so sad. I can't imagine being with someone who would reject my children if I died :(

Ktime · 14/04/2023 21:06

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:04

100%. I would take my nieces in without a second’s hesitation, as well as the children of my best friend were it required.

It’s easy to say that though. Proof is in the pudding.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 14/04/2023 21:13

I would take my nieces in without a second’s hesitation, as well as the children of my best friend were it required

Good for you.

But it doesn't make you a better person than someone who doesn't feel able to do those things.

Taking on someone else's children isn't for everyone and it would be much worse if the children were forced to live with someone who was unwilling or unable to care for them.

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:15

Ktime · 14/04/2023 21:06

It’s easy to say that though. Proof is in the pudding.

There’s not an iota of a chance I would let my nieces go into care. And I’m designated in my bf’s will so I’d better mean it!

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 14/04/2023 21:16

GnomeDePlume · 14/04/2023 20:58

@GroundFogDay
no he doesn't have life insurance or a will (another thread, I've told him before he needs to be better with stuff like this but he's lazy with things like this, I have both life insurance and a will, one policy pays out to DH and the other goes into trust for my children when they turn 18).

This I think is key. He is mentally lazy. You were supposed to sort this out for him. Step into the breach. Sort it out and make the problem go away.

He doesnt want to have to do the necessary mental lifting. He doesnt want to have a proper discussion with ex wife. He doesnt want to sort out a will, life insurance. He wanted you to say 'yes dear, I'll take them in' so that he doesnt have to bother about any of it.

Excellent point.

funinthesun19 · 14/04/2023 21:19

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:04

100%. I would take my nieces in without a second’s hesitation, as well as the children of my best friend were it required.

An auntie very happy to have her niece. See, why is it such a bad thing that children go to live with their relatives? There will be grandparents who feel like this too, extremely happy to provide a home for their grandchild.

Isn’t that so much better for the child to go there, than to be living with their stepmum who understandably doesn’t want the responsibility for them? Better for everyone all round.

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 14/04/2023 21:20

100%. I would take my nieces in without a second’s hesitation, as well as the children of my best friend were it required.

Emotionally, I would take my best friend's children in a heartbeat. Realistically though, unless they make financial provisions for them and their futures, there's no way we could. We stopped at one child because that is literally all we can afford, no way could we add three more and give them any quality of life.

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:20

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 14/04/2023 21:13

I would take my nieces in without a second’s hesitation, as well as the children of my best friend were it required

Good for you.

But it doesn't make you a better person than someone who doesn't feel able to do those things.

Taking on someone else's children isn't for everyone and it would be much worse if the children were forced to live with someone who was unwilling or unable to care for them.

I agree it’s not for everyone. But I understand why OP’s DH would be deeply upset to realise his wife wouldn’t feel that way about his children- her step children- siblings to their children- who live with them.

Ktime · 14/04/2023 21:22

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:15

There’s not an iota of a chance I would let my nieces go into care. And I’m designated in my bf’s will so I’d better mean it!

I think I would too, and I don’t doubt your love for them.

But things can change, we can’t know what the future holds, and the will is not binding on you, you could opt out.

Pluvia · 14/04/2023 21:27

In my case, my mums' sister would have taken me in. If she was unable to do so, my godmother was next "in line" and after that, it was my dad's sister.

All women. Women always assumed to be able and willing to take on years of unpaid childcare labour.

Until people start seeing childcare as valuable labour and not just something women are born to do and don't mind taking on, we begin to get close to equality or equity between the sexes.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 14/04/2023 21:29

Pluvia · 14/04/2023 21:27

In my case, my mums' sister would have taken me in. If she was unable to do so, my godmother was next "in line" and after that, it was my dad's sister.

All women. Women always assumed to be able and willing to take on years of unpaid childcare labour.

Until people start seeing childcare as valuable labour and not just something women are born to do and don't mind taking on, we begin to get close to equality or equity between the sexes.

Well, it's hardly my parents fault that neither of them have any living brothers for me to live with Grin

My point was, my parents made arrangements for my care and those people agreed to take on that responsibility.

Ktime · 14/04/2023 21:30

Pluvia · 14/04/2023 21:27

In my case, my mums' sister would have taken me in. If she was unable to do so, my godmother was next "in line" and after that, it was my dad's sister.

All women. Women always assumed to be able and willing to take on years of unpaid childcare labour.

Until people start seeing childcare as valuable labour and not just something women are born to do and don't mind taking on, we begin to get close to equality or equity between the sexes.

So true. Always women.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 14/04/2023 21:31

@Ktime - again, my parents didn't have any living male relatives who could have taken me in.

They didn't pick women because it's "women's work" to raise children.

Throwncrumbs · 14/04/2023 21:34

My dad died and I stayed with my step mum, we were really close. I don’t think they ever had this conversation when he was ill, before he died

aSofaNearYou · 14/04/2023 21:36

IamSuperTired · 14/04/2023 21:05

I think this is so sad. I can't imagine being with someone who would reject my children if I died :(

Not adopting them is a bit different from rejecting them. I would push myself to have some sort of relationship with whatever relative of DSS from his mum's side that inevitably took him in so my DDs could keep seeing him, but I wouldn't adopt him myself, just like I haven't while their parents are alive.

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:37

Throwncrumbs · 14/04/2023 21:34

My dad died and I stayed with my step mum, we were really close. I don’t think they ever had this conversation when he was ill, before he died

How did you feel about that?

Pluvia · 14/04/2023 21:38

How did she feel about that?

Bamboux · 14/04/2023 21:39

Pluvia · 14/04/2023 21:27

In my case, my mums' sister would have taken me in. If she was unable to do so, my godmother was next "in line" and after that, it was my dad's sister.

All women. Women always assumed to be able and willing to take on years of unpaid childcare labour.

Until people start seeing childcare as valuable labour and not just something women are born to do and don't mind taking on, we begin to get close to equality or equity between the sexes.

As I posted above, if my husband and I were both to die, we've put his brother and his brother's partner (also a man) in our wills to look after our children.

Not my sisters, not either of our mothers.

So no. It's not 'always women'.

EnaSharplesStout · 14/04/2023 21:39

GroundFogDay · 14/04/2023 10:56

In terms of our relationship we get on well but I've never played mum, we don't have that sort of relationship.

It's so unlikely to happen it seems crazy to fall out over, I feel like he's tried to test me almost.

@GroundFogDay what does not playing mum mean? Are they teenagers who don’t need much hands on parenting?

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:39

Pluvia · 14/04/2023 21:38

How did she feel about that?

She’s not here to ask is she?

I’m curious to know how this poster felt as the child in the scenario,

Bamboux · 14/04/2023 21:40

Ktime · 14/04/2023 21:30

So true. Always women.

As above, It's my brother in law and his male partner who we have put in our wills as guardians for our children if we both die.

Not my sisters, not my mother or mil.

So no it's not 'so true'.

Tandora · 14/04/2023 21:41

EnaSharplesStout · 14/04/2023 21:39

@GroundFogDay what does not playing mum mean? Are they teenagers who don’t need much hands on parenting?

One of them is 9, and OP has been in a relationship with dad since he was 3!

Ktime · 14/04/2023 21:43

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 14/04/2023 21:31

@Ktime - again, my parents didn't have any living male relatives who could have taken me in.

They didn't pick women because it's "women's work" to raise children.

Understood, sorry!

Bamboux · 14/04/2023 21:44

aSofaNearYou · 14/04/2023 21:36

Not adopting them is a bit different from rejecting them. I would push myself to have some sort of relationship with whatever relative of DSS from his mum's side that inevitably took him in so my DDs could keep seeing him, but I wouldn't adopt him myself, just like I haven't while their parents are alive.

Would you consider it if there were no relatives on his mum's side? It's not that far fetched - we have hardly any plausible options across both of our families. So if going into care was the only alternative?

I understand you don't feel like he is your child and you wouldn't want to take him in given the choice, but if it were literally a choice between living with you and your children, or going into care?

Have you and your husband had the conversation formally?

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