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To think blaming Brexit for all our current issues is outdated

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Bethatlass · 12/04/2023 09:21

When Brexit was being voted on in 2016 Obama was president in the US, George Osborne was chancellor, David Cameron was prime minister, most people had never even heard of Wuhan in China. Since then we’ve had a trump presidency, a way in Ukraine, a global pandemic, massive political change etc. To put it into context my own DD was still in primary school when it happened and is now ready to go off to university in a matter of months. I’m not denying that Brexit has caused and contributed to some of the current issues. However, none of us could have possibly known about Ukraine or the pandemic when we were voting on it and none of us could have possibly known the change in politics we would have of those delivering it. FWIW I didn’t vote leave, although I was torn at the time, while I still think I was right to vote remain I don’t blame those who felt differently almost a decade ago. Therefore, Aibu to think that blaming those who voted for Brexit/Brexit itself for all our current issues is outdated.

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RedToothBrush · 12/04/2023 16:38

Only enormous numpties believe Brexit happened in 2016.

Try watching the news sometimes.

Sunnysunbun · 12/04/2023 16:47

I'm just going to assume you're drunk or you've fallen and bumped your head.

Topseyt123 · 12/04/2023 16:57

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2023 16:38

Only enormous numpties believe Brexit happened in 2016.

Try watching the news sometimes.

Sadly, there are plenty of enormous numpties around. Some are on this thread.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2023 17:03

Is Brexit still affecting the UK?

Hmmm let me think about this.

Hint:

Before Brexit : tariff and paperwork free exports between EU and UK

After Brexit : tariffs and extensive regulations need to be met along with relevant paperwork supplied between EU and UK

Sprogonthetyne · 12/04/2023 17:03

People did not know what specific events would happen, but surely they knew there would be changes, challenges, elections and economic ups/downs. Those things always have and alway will happen. Everyone new at the time they were making a long term decision with long term consequences (good or bad).

We didn't even officially leave until 2020, so 2 years in seems a reasonable time to be reviewing how it's going.

maddy68 · 12/04/2023 17:04

Brexit has been the biggest hit to the uk economy since the war and will continue to be for a very long time
It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise

Paulrn · 12/04/2023 17:11

It amazes me how vitriolic the remainders are. I am not the typical person who you would have thought would vote for brexit but I did after much consideration. I voted to remain in the first referendum, but to stay in a common market which made, and still does so much sense. But as the EU changed I could not vote to remain, maybe if Maastricht treaty had let us opt out of the political mess things would have been better. I knew it would be difficult and I was willing to accept the decision had it gone against me. I defend my right to vote the way I did as I would defend the right of the remainers to vote. However it’s over now and we can not carry on ripping the country apart by blaming everything on it. I will accept that things in some areas are harder but the majority have spoken that’s democracy.

SweetSakura · 12/04/2023 17:13

Nonsense, I think Brexiteers need to own the serious harm brexit did to us both economically and culturally and in so many other ways.

The problems at the ports are nothing to do with COVID or Ukraine (for starters) .

It also made us look like utter fools to the rest of the world.

Roundaboot · 12/04/2023 17:14

tobee · 12/04/2023 16:17

Typical op who creates a thread and never comes back again

Probably too embarrassed at writing such a monumentally stupid post!

SweetSakura · 12/04/2023 17:15

Also,.brexit was a causative factor in giving Putin the confidence to attack Ukraine. The timing that it happened post brexit is no coincidence.

Putin orchestrated a huge campaign to push for brexit through social media channels.

SweetSakura · 12/04/2023 17:17

I am particularly worried by the loss of environmental protection that means our water companies are systematically polluting our rivers and beaches with untreated sewage on a regular basis without any fear of real punishment from our government.

Same. I won't let my children paddle in the sea or rivers any more. The amount of pollution is horrific. I don't understand why this alone isn't causing a huge outcry. The impact on wildlife must be immense too.

We lost so many great protections when we left the EU.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2023 17:18

Paulrn · 12/04/2023 17:11

It amazes me how vitriolic the remainders are. I am not the typical person who you would have thought would vote for brexit but I did after much consideration. I voted to remain in the first referendum, but to stay in a common market which made, and still does so much sense. But as the EU changed I could not vote to remain, maybe if Maastricht treaty had let us opt out of the political mess things would have been better. I knew it would be difficult and I was willing to accept the decision had it gone against me. I defend my right to vote the way I did as I would defend the right of the remainers to vote. However it’s over now and we can not carry on ripping the country apart by blaming everything on it. I will accept that things in some areas are harder but the majority have spoken that’s democracy.

I think there's some vitriolic remainers

Then I think there's a whole bunch of exasperated remainers who see utter bullshit like this thread saying 'brexit still can't be happening' because they lack comprehension skills of what trade barriers are and how that affects the economy and will do so on a permanent basis.

By all means if you are happy with the legal changes others, say that. I do get that and respect that.

Where I have an issue is where there is this tone deaf ability to understand the economic impact which didn't start in 2016, is very much ongoing and still in progress and the determination to blame it on everything else possible.

Brexit had certain affects. Admit them. Own them. Don't do this bullshit of passing the buck or trying to disguise reality.

SweetSakura · 12/04/2023 17:22

I think we are entitled to be vitriolic while we are an island literally (and figuratively ) swimming in our own shit as a result of the vote of people too stupid or xenophobic to heed all the warnings about the inevitable consequences of brexit

I would have been mightily relieved if it had turned out to be a good thing. Or even if there were any silver linings to be found. I would quite happily acknowledge any positives, but I am yet to see any.

Paulrn · 12/04/2023 17:24

SweetSakura · 12/04/2023 17:22

I think we are entitled to be vitriolic while we are an island literally (and figuratively ) swimming in our own shit as a result of the vote of people too stupid or xenophobic to heed all the warnings about the inevitable consequences of brexit

I would have been mightily relieved if it had turned out to be a good thing. Or even if there were any silver linings to be found. I would quite happily acknowledge any positives, but I am yet to see any.

Thank you for proving me right

nomoredriving · 12/04/2023 17:35

Paulrn · 12/04/2023 17:11

It amazes me how vitriolic the remainders are. I am not the typical person who you would have thought would vote for brexit but I did after much consideration. I voted to remain in the first referendum, but to stay in a common market which made, and still does so much sense. But as the EU changed I could not vote to remain, maybe if Maastricht treaty had let us opt out of the political mess things would have been better. I knew it would be difficult and I was willing to accept the decision had it gone against me. I defend my right to vote the way I did as I would defend the right of the remainers to vote. However it’s over now and we can not carry on ripping the country apart by blaming everything on it. I will accept that things in some areas are harder but the majority have spoken that’s democracy.

We're vitriolic because your oh so carefully considered vote was wrong.

When you say you don't think people to imagine you being a brexiteer, are you trying to convince us you're not a racist?

Kendodd · 12/04/2023 17:43

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2023 17:18

I think there's some vitriolic remainers

Then I think there's a whole bunch of exasperated remainers who see utter bullshit like this thread saying 'brexit still can't be happening' because they lack comprehension skills of what trade barriers are and how that affects the economy and will do so on a permanent basis.

By all means if you are happy with the legal changes others, say that. I do get that and respect that.

Where I have an issue is where there is this tone deaf ability to understand the economic impact which didn't start in 2016, is very much ongoing and still in progress and the determination to blame it on everything else possible.

Brexit had certain affects. Admit them. Own them. Don't do this bullshit of passing the buck or trying to disguise reality.

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In fairness to this Leave voter, she did say she knew Brexit would make things harder. So she voted to make things worse for people in the UK and got what she voter for.

Luckydip1 · 12/04/2023 17:47

How naive, many of our current economic problems and labour shortages are due to Brexit.

GettingThereCharleyBear · 12/04/2023 18:03

@Paulrn its not so much vitriol as it is is total fucking rage. It was such a totally stupid pointless act of sabotage - and it’s our kids that will suffer the consequences. I assume you mean you voted to “join” in the first referendum which means you must be in your late 60s at least.

There were problems with the EU but as a democracy and we could have changed it from within. But no far better just to leave and achieve what?

The news from NI is frightening alone - that wouldn’t have happened without fucking Brexit.

so yes, I’m angry, and I always will be

Crikeyalmighty · 12/04/2023 18:05

@Paulrn with all due respect if you voted in 1975 you are of retirement age- its not your future life chances /choices you have buggered up unless you intended to retire abroad, but it's certainly buggered up my 25 year olds options and definitely caused issues in our business . It is not remainers voting who are ripping apart the country and causing issues , it's Brexit itself, (not totally this but it's a big part of the mix) after all what can we remain voters do apart from lots of keyboard warrior style moaning. We aren't controlling the economy . The fact remains this wasn't a free decision, no costs, no consequences- it has cost £450 billion which is more than the cost of our entire contributions in 40 odd years. That means less money for essential things, not more and for sod all tangible gain - you are as you say entitled to vote as you wish , but don't try and lay it on remainers ripping the country apart - leave voters have done that by voting this way , along with the Tory's - less investment, reduced standards - zero gain , apart from giving a load of flag waving people a feeling of 'we won,you lost' -the country has won nothing !! We have simply handed a lot of our best business over to our EU neighbours on a plate and given international business no real reason to invest here at all. We have enabled very rich people to now hide away all their cash offshore without any scrutiny. My FIL at 83 had the decency to say to us that he was out of touch , hadn't thought it through , it's a total shit show and he utterly regrets voting that way

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/04/2023 18:08

Paulrn · 12/04/2023 17:11

It amazes me how vitriolic the remainders are. I am not the typical person who you would have thought would vote for brexit but I did after much consideration. I voted to remain in the first referendum, but to stay in a common market which made, and still does so much sense. But as the EU changed I could not vote to remain, maybe if Maastricht treaty had let us opt out of the political mess things would have been better. I knew it would be difficult and I was willing to accept the decision had it gone against me. I defend my right to vote the way I did as I would defend the right of the remainers to vote. However it’s over now and we can not carry on ripping the country apart by blaming everything on it. I will accept that things in some areas are harder but the majority have spoken that’s democracy.

The people who voted Leave made life worse for British people. Its hardly surprising that some are vitriolic.

BiggerBoat1 · 12/04/2023 18:08

How is it outdated? Ok the referendum may have been years ago but the fallout is being felt now.
It has been a disaster for our country and unfortunately we'll continue to be effected by it for a very long time.

warmeduppizza · 12/04/2023 18:48

Vitriolic my arse. My DH and I have 100% lost our careers and future prospects to Brexit and we will rage about it when we want to.

HPFA · 12/04/2023 18:55

The reason we're not going to shut up about Brexit is because if no-one changes their mind eventually we'll have a big majority who think it was a mistake.
At that point we can hopefully think of going back into the Single Market and the Customs Union at least.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/04/2023 18:56

@warmeduppizza vitriol away- feel the same!

Crikeyalmighty · 12/04/2023 19:01

@warmeduppizza I'm totally amazed that all the big international businesses who invested here on the basis of the UK being in the EU (up to say 2014) arent creating a class action that they were 'sold a pup' and want compensation.