To think blaming Brexit for all our current issues is outdated

[Bethatlass]

When Brexit was being voted on in 2016 Obama was president in the US, George Osborne was chancellor, David Cameron was prime minister, most people had never even heard of Wuhan in China. Since then we’ve had a trump presidency, a way in Ukraine, a global pandemic, massive political change etc. To put it into context my own DD was still in primary school when it happened and is now ready to go off to university in a matter of months. I’m not denying that Brexit has caused and contributed to some of the current issues. However, none of us could have possibly known about Ukraine or the pandemic when we were voting on it and none of us could have possibly known the change in politics we would have of those delivering it. FWIW I didn’t vote leave, although I was torn at the time, while I still think I was right to vote remain I don’t blame those who felt differently almost a decade ago. Therefore, Aibu to think that blaming those who voted for Brexit/Brexit itself for all our current issues is outdated.

I'm scrolling down the active threads and see yet another Brexit thread. That's two this morning. What's the point? Nobody will debate in good faith and if just becomes another opportunity for personal abuse and entrenched views, mostly based on lies

@RiktheButler

You don't have to click on them

That's like saying blaming Tony Blair and his government for joining the war in Iraq is outdated. It happened a long time ago now, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Well no, as it wasn’t done and dusted in 2016 I don’t think it’s outdated. I think it’s very much still relevant and as we’re still implementing it, will be for a considerable time to come.

When I think about how much it’s cost us to implement it since 2016 - and what that money could have been used to fund instead, it feels even more relevant right now in to be honest.

This does suggest a total lack of perspective on history.

WW2 still influences the world we live in

This poster has concisely listed a lot of the negatives of Brexit.

I am particularly worried by the loss of environmental protection that means our water companies are systematically polluting our rivers and beaches with untreated sewage on a regular basis without any fear of real punishment from our government.

My first opportunity to vote after turning 18yrs old was in the 1975 United
Kingdom European Communities membership referendum which voted whether to remain in the European Community (after joining in 1973). I voted Yes and of course the result was overwhelmingly Yes and I remember feeling very strongly that our future interests were better served being in the common market, as it was called then, than not and despite its faults and flaws I still felt the same in 2016. I am not ashamed to admit that I cried the morning the result of Brexit was announced, it seemed and continues to feel like such a regressive step and I still can't understand how we let this happen.

David Cameron, you are a knob of immeasurable proportions to have let this happen.

Or I can click on them and express my opinion on people clogging up mumsnet with pointless repetitive threads

Or you can stop quoting me

Or people could just stop the nonsense

YABU, but the fact that almost 25% of votes say YANBU demonstrates exactly why the Tories keep getting voted in and why they have been allowed to decimate the economy based on consistent lies and deception. So many people are so committed to being willfully ignorant.

Tell me OP, have any of the posts on this thread caused you reflect deeper at all and think about reading up on the effect of Brexit resounding through our economy today, or are you just going to shrug off all the evidence presented here and stick to your opinion stubbornly and blindly because you just want to?

Personally I blame Brexit totally for the fact that during the last couple of years, the number of French, German and Dutch visitors I get to my business has fallen off a cliff. They are not being replaced by UK visitors because no one has any bloody money. There was a piece in the Times (I think) a week or so ago. They feel unwelcome in the UK so huge numbers of them have stopped coming.

Just one tiny example.

Exactly.

All those counties were affected by both those unprecedented events.

Yet they will do better.

Why? Because brexit is the only factor we've experienced the other G7 counties haven't.

@RiktheButler

Every time you reply to one, it bumps it you know

Dated?? What a stupid post.

Brexit was a monumentally damaging decision and will affect all of us for years to come.

YABVU.

From the tax year 2019/20 to 2022/23 the NHS budget has increased by over 15%, which is around £30 billion a year extra. This does not include the additional £50 billion during the main Covid spike in 2020/21.

Inflation? Worsening health? Lack of proactive public health policy? Aging population?

The UK government has never given out so many hand outs than they have in the last few years, from protecting businesses and jobs during Covid by paying peoples wages who couldn't work, to the energy price guarantee, to increasing minimum wage dramatically, to all the cost of living handouts.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather live in a functioning and healthy economy and earn my living rather than relying on unaffordable handouts.

The IMF always say the UK is going to perform badly and are normally way off with their percentages up to 4% in 2021 so it's probably best to ignore them

As a business owner brexit has pushed our costs up and made day to day logistics even more difficult. Trying to get supplies which all come from France takes a staggering 3 months and costs twice as much. We have to order more in one go so we don't run out.

As a result the uk co that we order through are struggling as well.

Whole thing is a shit show

We still have no Assembly in NI because of it. So not outdated at all @Bethatlass. The pain and misery caused by Brexit still has some way to go.

As TooBigForMyBoots says, Northern Ireland doesn't have an assembly because of Brexit. People are sitting in coach queues at Dover because of Brexit. Sewage is being poured into our waterways because of Brexit.

These (and many other things) are ongoing situations. It wasn't vote and done.

There are more border controls to be implemented later this year. JRM is still trying to get his bonfire of retained laws through parliament. Negotiations are far from complete on all sorts of EU-periphery arrangements. Hideous, disadvantageous trade deals are being made with other countries, and will be for decades.

It is not over. It's hardly started.

NI was the reason Brexit should never have been a referendum vote, let alone a 50-50 one.

It's a complete contradiction to the promises which were made for peace.

Of course being in the EU had huge flaws - but I would take them over this mess.

Who is happy about the massive loss of staff for the NHS? Anyone happy about that?

Only the hubris of an Old Etonian would have ignored his Chancellor's advice. But someone must have voted for Cameron I guess?

Brexit has ruined my life. None of the other things you mentioned have.

Your right it seems so pointless to bang on and on about it. We are out deal with it. If you want to do something look at buying British goods where possible, think what can I do for my community look forward not back. It’s most unlikely we will ever rejoin.

Of course it isn't outdated! What a silly comment.

Brexshit didn't really happen until January 2021 and the effects are still being felt and becoming apparent.

A good case in point is the complete failure to get proper agreement in Northern Ireland. Still no power sharing government there because there is actually no real solution at all to the issues posed by Brexshit. This will be ongoing forever for years because every potential avenue trashes the Good Friday Agreement.

We're fucked and need to rejoin ASAP. Unfortunately that in itself could well bta long-winded process.

No one is blaming Brexit for all the issues the country is facing, just the ones it’s directly responsible for, which is more than enough.

Every other European country was affected by covid and the war in Ukraine. But they don't have to deal with Brexit as well. Which is why they are all doing better. This really shouldn't need to be explained to you OP.

Unless this post is a piss take - perfectly possible - it does kind of sum up the mentality of many Brexit voters.

The thing with Brexit is that it's not done and there will still be active policy choices to make about our relationship with the EU for many moons to come, and the bitter and vicious politics of Brexit will mean that any kind of alignment with our closest and biggest market will be portrayed by some as betrayal/treachery/elitism.

And the issues around being a third country - from long queues and lower capacity at borders that were not built to deal with them, to lower availability of scarce fresh goods because of the additional costs and market disadvantages - will continue. And they will continue to be portrayed as uniquely unfair to the UK - like all the silly headlines about 'Brit tourists to be hit by new visa rules to travel to Europe' rather than as simply the way the EU treats all third countries who haven't opted for closer alignment through eg EEA.

And so it doesn't really make sense to stop talking about Brexit when there are still policy and political choices to be made as a consequence of it, and it's part of the narrative about Why Things Are How They Are.