Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

The whole world being able to see that Britain needs to rejoin the EU after only two years out is the best advert for EU membership anyone could want.

The smartest thing the EU could do would be to just let us back in on our old terms as soon as we raise the topic.

If all the people on the internet who say

^"I voted Remain but..."
^
actually had, we wouldn't be in this mess.

@verdantverdure I totally agree- I've heard lots of these- I can add the following

Young bloke in decent job in London felt the economy would tank, house prices would drop enormously and he might be able to buy a house

Banker guy thought a deal like Norways made sense (I didn't see that option on the ballot paper)!!

Guy on his 50s thought it was a mighty fuck you to the government , although he didn't think it made sense and has affected his job

It won’t be on the old terms. We were nothing but an irritant anyway, always bitching and vetoing and complaining. We were unbearable, demanding, exceptionalist. Why would they want us back?

Online, when you see posters talking Leave, attacking Remain but then claim to have voted Remain, how likely is it? That particular poster may be telling the truth but I suspect many aren’t.

I have seen the odd leave poster attacking remain. This is often (but not always) in response to quite unpleasant insults towards them.

I have seen people who probably did vote remain, but they do try to understand why people may have voted leave, and they try to explain why they think that happened.

That's pretty much it.

How people align themselves and their subsequent conduct towards others has been quite an eye opener.

Can you quote a post you mean?

I think this is in your head more than anything.

@verdantverdure Reading things like this makes me think we're probably ungovernable as a country. So many people are just incredibly bloody stupid.

@verdantverdure I'm very suspicious of people who say they voted remain but then go out their way even with the shit show it is to point out the positives of slightly rising wages in 'certain 'industries- balanced totally of course by the much higher costs that they never mention.

It's a well known internet cliche

People say

^"I voted Remain but..."
^
then go on to reveal themselves as Brexit fans because to real Remainers and objective observers their bias is obvious.

You do realise all these threads ask the same thing

Tell me a benefit, anything… etc

When anyone posts a benefit they get this.

You’ll have to quote it. You have been wrong before about this so I don’t think you have a clear view.

Revealing isn't it?

then go on to reveal themselves as Brexit fans because to real Remainers and objective observers their bias is obvious.

Real remainers?

How does a real Remainer conduct themselves?

Welcome to democracy.

Every person over the age of majority gets to vote. And they get to vote for whoever/whatever they like, on whatever basis they feel appropriate.

Unless you have a different suggestion ?

@verdantverdure you can't count people who were not eligible to vote at the time, otherwise no election would have validity. All parties could claim election results would have been different had the current crop of ineligible citizens been asked. The truth is, we don't know that it would have been a different result.
And it's always been the case that those not eligible or who choose not to vote, have to accept the choices of those who are. I could argue that I never voted for Thatcher, why should I have to live with the far reaching effects of her election wins, but I don't because that way madness lies.

Personally I've not been asked how I voted. Nor would I lie if asked.

You need to spit some more at Brexiteers and hate them without listening, scoff some more.

I don’t think you’re doing it right.

Well thank god for that, is all I can say. Doing it right definitely isn't right for me.

My "different suggestion" is that we should not use overly simplified referenda to ask the general public to make decisions about incredibly complex issues that they don't fully understand, simply in order to settle disputes within political parties, and that we instead rely on our well established system of parliamentary democracy in which our elected MPs are paid to take an informed view on these issues on our behalf. We will still end up with stupid decisions sometimes, especially if the public choose to elect stupid representatives, but putting the complex issues around EU membership to the public in the form of a simple, binary vote was always a terrible idea.

Lol.

I actually don't see many convincing remainer arguments. Most are too busy hurling abuse and acting aggressively to actually debate coherently.

Most of the remainer arguments seem to be around maintaining the status quo, and not changing the way things are because it is too risky to do otherwise, or maybe more accurately, too risky for me and my remainer lifestyle.

There is of course no recognition in this that everyone else has a right to vote in a way that they see as beneficial to their lifestyle too.

Brexit is a massive project, that will go on for a long time. It will have benefits and drawbacks. And the interaction of other world events alongside it will make attributing effects to it even more difficult.

Speaking to a few people I found some who wanted to remain because they generally felt the future was with Europe and others that didn't because they thought it was better that the UK remained more independent of Europe. Given the difficulty of untangling the mish mash of different effects, to me these seem as good reasons as any.

Quite.

It’s the new “some of my best friends are black”.

No quote?

Hmm I wonder why.

I know Verdant has dialled this up in her own head as she has accused me of it. And was obviously incorrect. Anyone can search 2016 posts to see it. So it’s easy to assume they do it to other posters and have created this story for an odd reason.

I get people are angry and it dominates their thoughts, fine we react to things differently, but as a remainer I find them off putting.

Lessons have been learned in most cases.

Not in the case of my parents yet, the retired ex pats, Turkey joining will increase the numbers in the little boats man or our deceased friend and deceased relative, and the David Cameron's face bloke can't be trusted not to be just as much of an idiot again,

Spur of the moment Brexit voter is the worlds biggest Remainer now. Goes on marches and everything.

@GasPanic Ignoring your misrepresentation of the Remain position, which either you haven’t read, haven’t understood, or intentionally falsify -

How has your lifestyle benefited? When can we look forward to the general benefits as per the thread title?

What you are you on about @MarshaBradyo ?

Spot on @Mirabai. Yeah. It is.