To be getting more not less depressed about Brexit as time goes on

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It all seems so pointless doesn't it, I feel sorry that some- probably many- people were duped into voting for it, I feel annoyed that the 48 percent who voted remain have been completely ignored, annoyed about all the divisions it has caused our country and all the rows, and overall just really fed up with the state we are in now. I thought it would be getting better by now but actually feel worse about it now than I did at the time.

@Tactica, I don’t know what your problem is, and to be honest I don’t particularly care. However, I haven’t “just made something up” - that’s why the comment ended in a question mark, as I was ASKING you.

People don't always realise what they have I'm comparison to others who see it as a good opportunity and place to be. If people want to cut off their nose so to speak, then it's probably best they leave anyway...

I hope that if hell exists, there's a special place waiting for him.

And @Tactica again - I wasn’t aware that asking questions and engaging in constructive debate on an online forum came under the bracket of “pissing people off”.

Yes, as in that I never suggested that all EU citizens should have been allowed to vote in the referendum - I suggested that those permanently residing in the UK should've been allowed. @Greenshake equated that to me thinking that people in England and Wales should be allowed to vote on Scottish independence. Obviously not - but I made the point that English and Welsh people in Wales were allowed to vote in the Scottish referendum. They haven't come back to me on that point.

So again, why was it okay for English and Welsh people to vote in Indyref, but not for EU permanent residents to vote on leaving the EU?

It doesn't usually. I'm slow to anger, but reductive bullshit over Brexit will pretty much do it.

For my problem, see my initial reply to you. Then please, stop replying to me, since you don't care, it should be easy. We have literally nothing useful to say to each other. There's NO chance we will agree.

I suggest we turn our attention to other matters.

I am in the same position as you, Scot75, including being a frontalier, except the nationality issue is slightly different. I could get nationality, but it's a lot of work, and takes a long time.

I can't believe people expect us to 'just move on'. This Brexit Shitshow affects us every day of our lives.
It created the administrative nightmare of getting residency cards we didn't previously need (during Covid, natch).
It makes it difficult to send gifts to our families, and to order items we miss from the U.K.
We have lost our right to onward freedom of movement, so we are not living in our countries of residency on the terms we originally chose.
It is harder to find a new job if we lose the one we have. This situation is particularly fragile if you are a cross-border worker.
We have to deal with ignorant border staff who do not know the rules and stamp the passport of every Brit they lay eyes on, leaving us with non-matching stamps and unable to prove we have not exceeded our permitted days out of the country (or in another).
If I have a hospital appointment or treatment in the country in which I don't live, but in which am insured due to my husbands job, I have to make sure I am not exceeding 90/180 days in another country, which would lose me my current residency.
Meanwhile it is not as easy to visit our elderly mums in the U.K., who are at the mercy of an NHS that is suffering from the loss of EU workers.
That's just off the top of my head.
Oh, and our Irish friends have been royally shat upon.

So no I won't be getting over this catastrophe that I wasn't allowed a say in any time soon. I will continue to hate what it has done to my country, and the idiots that let it happen.

Agree with this.

And greenshake is a massive flob.

Yes, that's a personal remark. Bite me.

I'm still so unbelievably ped off at Brexit. The erosion of rights is fing depressing.

I have family and friends who were hardline Brexit supporters and they were ecstatic at the result - despite holidaying in Europe every year and wanting to retire there. Their complete lack of reasoning was astounding.

The irony is, due to Brexit, they now can't afford to holiday anywhere, never mind emigrate. Now that reality has kicked in, it has been some time since they've mentioned what a "victory" Brexit was. It's almost as though it wasn't a victory at all💁

@Jourdain11 that’s completely unfair. All I did was ask you a question about IndyRef and your view - I didn’t “equate” it to anything! I haven’t come back on that point as there was nothing more to say. I know this is a sensitive topic, but I never realised that asking questions about this would generate such prickly reactions.

FML

@Loria thanks for that mature comment. Unpleasantness seems to be your forte, as an earlier poster pointed out.

@IntheSnowySnowyMountains before Brexit there were still rules about not exceeding a certain number of days in one given country, as a non resident.

Fair enough, I read something into your response which wasn't intended and I'm sorry for that and any offence caused.

I disagree that there's nothing more to say though. Ca. 3.5 million EU citizens were living in the UK at the time of the referendum and they were all disenfranchised - people who'd been here for years or decades in some cases, working in the NHS, education, construction, hospitality...

@Jourdain11 no offence taken. I meant that there was nothing more to say on the IndyRef vote, not the Brexit one. Apologies, I am trying to keep up and defend myself from a pile on at the same time.

It's sad if they had just staggered freedom of movement in 2004 with transitional agreements like Germany and France did it would never have happened.

I think it's going to get worse with the removal of EU laws (workers rights, environmental protections etc.)

But it’s not a thing that just happened at the time, it’s a permanent situation with current and future impacts?

To be honest Brexit doesn't personally effect me. I go on holiday in Europe but to emigrate it would be the Anglosphere which I would be able to get a visa for all of them. When travelling I've never found it particularly arduous to apply for visa . Economy wise Brexit is bad , I blame the government for not putting in transitional agreements for the new eastern European countries. Almost every other country did so no wonder we had lots arriving. I'd love freedom of movement with Australia I don't think they would like it with us though 🤣.

Agreed - I believe there is something specific to do with Poland and war debt which would've made this politically difficult, however.

No problem! I think there's probably little more to say about referenda in general, actually. But I don't think we should have any more! As those two show, they're not a particularly great way of solving problems!!

That’s what I mean though, even though I appear to have made a ham fisted attempt at getting this point across. I meant move on in a practical sense. We don’t have any other choice.

you are absolutely not being unreasonable. It’s had a terrible effect on the country, especially on the young. I thank GOD my kids entitled to EU passports. Just wish I could join them. And I really love the UK. Michael Dougan warned us in 2016 that voting to Leave would not bring control back to ordinary people but would open the door to the nastiest, furthest right government we’ve seen. And so it came to pass.

What does move on mean? I’m in a line of work that’s been v badly affected. We now have to deal with visas and endless bloody bureaucracy that was never an isdue in 5he past. Should we just not comment on this? Pretend it’s not happening? Say it doesn’t matter? What on earth do people mean when they we have to move on?