To be getting more not less depressed about Brexit as time goes on

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It all seems so pointless doesn't it, I feel sorry that some- probably many- people were duped into voting for it, I feel annoyed that the 48 percent who voted remain have been completely ignored, annoyed about all the divisions it has caused our country and all the rows, and overall just really fed up with the state we are in now. I thought it would be getting better by now but actually feel worse about it now than I did at the time.

That's part of the issue though @HungryMum101 mining and steel and other industry centres have been decimated here and have seen their industries move to the EU and elsewhere. Yet they could not move, regardless of FOM. Imagine the anger you feel building up over decades all whilst the media and politicians paint you as feckless and idle. Then one day you get given a chance to scream in the wrong face

The Remain campaign was solely about “the economy”, and while they’ve been proven right about that, “the economy” means nothing to the millions of people who never seem to benefit when the economy is good, but are always punished when it’s bad. It was lazy, half-hearted, and certainly not helped by the faces of Remain being David Cameron and George Osborne, the unpopular architects of austerity misery. There were many reasons to vote Leave, and giving those two smug smooth-faced pricks an electoral slap was certainly one of them.

I know someone very pro-EU who saw the polls predicting a 55-45% Remain win, and decided he’d vote Leave to make the Remain win much narrower (say 52-48%?) to give Cameron a scare. That worked well, huh?

Another friend, in London, far from any actual countryside, voted Leave “for the farmers”, who had apparently been forced by the evil EU to dig up thousands of miles of hedgerow.

We are all paying a very expensive COVID bill.

The "48% were ignored" point is just nonsense.

Let's suppose that the result was 52/48 the other way. Would the victorious Remainers have sought a near identical Brexit deal but tilted a few percent more towards the remain side? No! It would have been cast as a 'decisive victory' for Remain and the 48% Leave vote would have been ignored to an even greater extent.

The remain-leaning MPs had a chance to vote for Theresa May's much more 50/50 deal and they chose to vote it down because they thought they could overturn the entire thing. Blame them.

Meanwhile the 'democratic' European Parliament remains one of the only elected parliaments in the world not to have the power to propose legislation, and the EU is mired in corruption that goes largely unreported in the UK.

Is this a joke? The country is fucked as a result. Our children have fewer rights. We have fewer rights. Our lives are smaller and meaner as a result. Many of us have seen loved friends and family leave. The fucking Tories are busy deregulating everything to leave us poorer, less protected and more polluted than we have been for decades.

Any chance that you think about those things? We'll be living with the fallout from Brexit for God knows how long. It's a fucking global embarrassment.

I will never not be fucking furious with fucking Brexit.

Then I'm confused because the only difference I have seen since brexit is the cost living crises and food bill hikes, and they appear to be mainly due to the war and covid. Other than that there's been no difference to me.

No, it’s not a joke, and I don’t really appreciate your tone either.

My tone? Tough.

Perhaps if you were less hostile I could take you more seriously.

By “tone” I assume you mean “all those howwid wude words”? Because the facts and the sentiments are bang fucking on.

You don't know what's in my head @Loria I didn't vote, I'm not a UK citizen. Your problem is that Remain had next to no campaign apart from telling us that Europe was great. If you're not prepared to defend something don't come crying when you've lost it.

An excellent comment. That people are still on here calling people who voted Leave "pointy headed idiots" and bemoaning why anyone could vote to deny their children the chance to study abroad, when for many that was never an option, anyway.

I will also add that the majority of mainland Europe is far more racist than the UK. And before anyone gets moist-eyed about the Nordic countries, in Denmark the ruling party chose to confiscate property and savings from refugees and is currently trying to deport people to Syria. Sweden and Finland are also moving rightwards.

I disagreed with Brexit then, I disagree with it now, but I would a thousand times rather live in a democracy where people can make choices I disagree with, than in the sadly large areas of the world where they cannot.

Not at all, this has generally been a very interesting debate. Unfortunately some posters feel that they have to get personal or patronising to support their opinion, which is inevitably to the detriment of their argument.

It matters not one jot if you 'take me seriously.' You either agree or don't. It really doesn't matter.

I have zero time for people suggesting that we 'move on' from Brexit, when it is patently impossible to do so and people have suffered enormously as a result.

It is infuriatingly reductive.

All those saying it was x years ago, do they not realise the repercussions are far reaching and not time limited? Although, to have voted leave was such an idiotic thing to do, I guess I've answered my own question. Brexit truly is the gift that keeps on taking.

Not one single personal remark. I was annoyed at your reductive comments and expressed that.

So your solution is to remain stuck in the mire then?

I think that, ironically, if France had allowed a referendum on the EU, or Italy, or a whole bunch of other EU countries, they'd probably have voted leave much more resoundingly than the UK did.

I still believe that referenda are a poor way of resolving debates and issues, though.

This confuses me because as a GP I see many EU citizens moving to the UK with very complex medical problems. We arrange free interpreters for their appointments. Does it not happen the other way round?

Ken Clarke's indicative vote proposal would've probably been a decent solution. Only 2 votes away from passing, as well!

Interesting that wasn’t even in reply to you, yet you feel the need to defend it.

You're going to need to explain, since you've just made something up and suggested it is 'my solution.'

Try telling that to the people risking their lives to come here. They must see it as a country of opportunity.

'Interesting' 🙄

Your comment came immediately within our exchange, hence my reply - not a 'need to defend.' However, it seems you have pissed off other people as well.

😂No it doesn't. As a non-national you do have the option to purchase a yearly public health cover and access full medical services this way. It's not cheap, but not completely out of reach either. No interpreters included in the price though.