To be getting more not less depressed about Brexit as time goes on

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It all seems so pointless doesn't it, I feel sorry that some- probably many- people were duped into voting for it, I feel annoyed that the 48 percent who voted remain have been completely ignored, annoyed about all the divisions it has caused our country and all the rows, and overall just really fed up with the state we are in now. I thought it would be getting better by now but actually feel worse about it now than I did at the time.

No funds is no funds so no change - yet - but I notice the opera moving north

Anti -vaxxers ???? Brexit ????
in Kent ????
Time to move on dear.

It's not odd really, both involve falling for lies, mistrust of experts, and general ignorance.

Of course they were lied to. A large part of the media were constantly blaming the EU for UK's problems as a deflection from the mismanagement of public services and the economy by recent Governments.

If you think we waste money on infrastructure then you're short sighted. Huge amounts of money go into public transport in London for obvious reasons. Londoners pay massive amounts in congestion charges, ules etc. public car parks here are hugely more expensive than anywhere in the rest of the country. It would be impossible for commuters to get into the city if everyone drove and parked there. The sheer distances involved are much larger than someone getting across the centre of most other cities in the UK. London generates far more in tax than anywhere else in the country.

I agree we should give incentives to poorer parts of the country to grow better infrastructure and attract inward investment. Which body do you think used to do that? Oh, the EU. Two places that actually received those funds and now no longer do, Wales and Cornwall, voted Brexit 🙄. Do you really think the London centric Tory party is going to increase investment in the north? Hahahaha! They now have more control to benefit their own demographic than before without the rules that were in place to prevent exploitation of workers, e.g. working time directive.

The banking crash came about in part because of a lack of regulation. Which party is for reducing regulation and red tape.

As I say, the reasons people were angry were not solved by Brexit they were exacerbated by it.

I'm afraid that's true. Critical thinking is not part of the national curriculum as far as I know. I wonder why that is...

@jcyclops My mistake....... however, the low paid are no better off now than before, hence the increase in working benefits needed in order to live.

Also, had NMW increased at the level it was heading pre 2008, it would be far higher now, it slumped during Austerity.

£10 ph is not enough to live off, no matter how it is portrayed, a real terms increase of 25% (on a relatively small amount) is wiped out by food inflation @18% and energy inflation at 300%.

I don't know about food inflation, but as for rival gangs I would suggest you pay a late night visit to Brixton or Tottenham (or any other no-go zone near you) before imagining that UK is any safer.

Since when has Brixton been a no go area

its full of nice restaurants and bars and is always busy

Have you been reading the Daily Mail again @DaSilvaP ? There are no no-go areas in London.

Looks like now people in Poland and Hungary are being lied to by their anti-EU media - talk of their farming industry being sacrificed at the Brussels altar.

There actually aren't that many if you look at it. Mnet is an enormous site with less than 100(?) defenders of Leave.
Oh dear! There's a massive silent majority in the UK who do not shout out on MN. Get out and about and talk to people. There's not much appetite for the EU amongst Brits.

Anyway I thought you lived in Ireland @TooBigForMyBoots

If they are silent, how do you inow what they think?

France and Italy both have food inflation way below the UK..... Germany's is 3% higher.
But the biggy is energy inflation, France very low, Germany around 5%, UK 's went up a further 20% from 1st of April.

The UK has terrifying gang violence, just look at the stabbings in London for example.

Gang violence is worldwide and always has been.

The things they were angry about were all the fault of the governments in power. Said governments blamed the EU or whatever else was convenient. Plus you had the cretin farage chipping away. There were always parties like the bnp and nf so there was always a section that was racist and I imagine that's the case in every country.

Today there is talk about AI and the government, predictably, want light regulation because they have no imagination about where developing AI with no restrictions could lead. We are ruled by idiots.

I voted 'leave'. I am a sensible person and I remember joining the 'Common Market' (although I was a child). Then, it seemed like all the old trading partners were slipping away, the country was in a weak economic and political position, and the best thing to do was to join a larger trading group.

Over the decades, I never really thought very much about the CM, the EEC, the EU. I got sick of politicians going over to Brussels and trying to 'negotiate' a 'special deal' for Britain. I think it started with Margaret Thatcher. I thought the UK had a place in the EU as a Eurosceptic voice.

Yet from about 2012, austerity began to grind us down. It was particularly bad in the area where I live. Services simply ceased to be. Young People's Services were closed, mental health services were filled to capacity, everything was strained. Businesses and industries seemed to be failing and closing faster than ever, My own family were in crisis and I had to leave my career to work in the gig economy so I could care for my sons and keep a roof over our head.

When the call to 'leave' came, I was probably at the lowest point in my life: trying to care for two severely challenged young people, trying to work, battling with overstretched or non-existent services. I needed change, and for some reason, the arguments that were presented by the 'leave' pedlars seemed to make sense. All this mess was happening whilst we were part of the EU. Perhaps being a member of the EU was using money that could be spent on other things, perhaps it could be spent on services my sons so desperately needed.

I voted 'leave' and when the votes were counted, I really felt that my voice had been heard and that this could be the start of something new.

Then, Boris J. ran away. It became obvious there was no plan and no substance in the argument. I thought there would be a massive reconsideration on what was, after all, not a legally binding referendum.

I joined every campaign against Brexit after that, but the government were insanely committed to the idea. I think by the end of the first year, most of us knew it was suicide, but the long drawn out transition and Covid proved to be a distraction.

So, we will be back, or as a nation we will sink into bankruptcy, but I think we will be very changed as a nation, and perhaps a little more humble.

Brexit isn’t a one off action it’s still going on , it is an evolving process that will last decades . I really don’t understand how people cannot realise that . Look at the NI situation . The effects will also be continuous. People with EU passports have so many more opportunities .

OP I am still very sad about it , cannot believe we could do something do stupid, my dc lives have been directly affected .

@vinividivinci Well, thanks for voting to wreck the country or bankruptcy as you put it, as we wont be re-joining

Legally Binding? did you do ZERO research? Cameron made it 1000% clear we'd leave (eu, cu and sm) & Johnsons time as Mayor should have told you all that was needed to know about his character.

I know many people like you, blamed the EU for what always were UK caused problems and put their trust in UK politicians who fucked up the UK when we were in and have screwed it up now we are out.

Yes a lot of older people voted for Brexit but i would like less of the generational focus.It has messed up older peoples lives too in terms of living abroad because of the required absences from the country of residence.
However i understand why the younger and older people in the Red Wall areas voted for it.Class.They felt ignored by the south and their kids were not going to get to travel and live in Europe or own houses in Tuscany.They shafted themselves of course.
Bear also in mind the sheer dumbing down and ignorance of people who read the right wing press or who just ignore the news anyway.Sadly Starmer has no vision and neither do any of his team.Its hard to combat this.

@vinividivinci sorry you got abuse from a PP there. I actually really appreciate your honesty and can understand where you're coming from. You made a mistake but at least you're owning it rather than doubling down. And to be fair we were all lied to. No wonder lots of people voted for change. It's just a shame that none of us knew what the change would be.

'Well, thanks for voting to wreck the country or bankruptcy as you put it, as we wont be re-joining

Legally Binding? did you do ZERO research? Cameron made it 1000% clear we'd leave (eu, cu and sm) & Johnsons time as Mayor should have told you all that was needed to know about his character.

I know many people like you, blamed the EU for what always were UK caused problems and put their trust in UK politicians who fucked up the UK when we were in and have screwed it up now we are out.'

I think you have some anger problems. However, it is refreshing to see a well thought out and rational point of view. :)

It's very telling that the msm are not all over how much money is even more able to find it's way into tory and the friends of the party's pockets through the device of levelling up.
https://twitter.com/WillBlackWriter/status/1648957800964292608

I find it interesting how a lot of people focus on the leave lies and not statements that came from remain.

For example, one of the very interesting remain statements to me was "Britain will be permanently out of ever closer union – never part of a European superstate."

Seeing as no prime minister or parliament has the ability to bind the country in perpetuity, I don't see how statements containing world like "permanently" and "never" can possibly be true.

Plenty of people knew what the change would be 48% of the voting electorate knew & voted to stay in.

@vinividivinci I'm not angry, i love the UK but i am sad that people like you, led by Johnson and Farage, have done a great deal of harm to the UK but you expect praise for your honesty? really? you ve (helped) screw an entire generation!

Fortunately though not my DD's who has just left the NHS and is now in Australia, had the UK not suffered the huge numbers of EU workers leaving social care and NHS after Brexit, she'd probably still be working in it, as would a junior Dr i know who is about to leave for NZ.

You regretting your vote, is of no consequence, the damage cannot be undone now, maybe we can start over the next 10 or 20 years but i doubt that.

However, the blame for this lies not with the electorate but with politicians, specifically Cameron for giving us a vote in the first place and Johnson who put personal ambition above what is good for the UK.

After the event, May, who put party before the country, she had the opportunity to keep us in the SM but chose party unity instead, she didn't even try.

Teresa May mainly wanted to stop Freedom Of Movement, which stopped any idea of staying in the SM&CU. This is the woman who introduced the Hostile Environment remeber?

...to satisfy the euro nutters on the far right of her party... just as Sunak is having to do so now (though tbh, he is one of them) unlike Major, TM wouldn't stand up to these lunatics.