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To be getting more not less depressed about Brexit as time goes on

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teneastereggs · 11/04/2023 22:32

It all seems so pointless doesn't it, I feel sorry that some- probably many- people were duped into voting for it, I feel annoyed that the 48 percent who voted remain have been completely ignored, annoyed about all the divisions it has caused our country and all the rows, and overall just really fed up with the state we are in now. I thought it would be getting better by now but actually feel worse about it now than I did at the time.

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Yolo12345 · 11/04/2023 23:53

Completely agree, it's awful and things will get a lot worse unfortunately as the UK cuts all the "EU red tape", meaning health and safety legislation, consumer protection, workers rights etc...I particularly fear the death penalty being brought back on the table.

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 11/04/2023 23:53

Voted remain never any other choice as far as I was concerned, the remain campaign was shit though. They could have had a bus in response with look at all the benefits this tiny amount of money gets you. However, lots of Remainers/ remain rhetoric was arrogant and London centric. People who voted Leave had spent decades not being listened to politically and having a hard time in terms of local economies -- they took the opportunity to be heard. I also think some who have seen very little on the ground benefit of EU membership are probably quite pleased that more areas of the country are starting to feel some of what they have been feeling for years.

I don't agree with their choice, but can understand it. If we politicians had been more understanding and less 'well it's all going well for my family' we would not be where we are now

Greenshake · 11/04/2023 23:55

@PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog brilliant post.

MavisMcMinty · 11/04/2023 23:56

Brexit and its Tory architects have destroyed the UK in a few short years, and it won’t recover in my lifetime (I’m 60). Yeah, that’s depressing. Deliberately striking shit trade deals to prevent future governments taking us back into the EU, and embezzling vast sums of public money for themselves and their mates, while our lives get harder and poorer by the month. I retired 7 years ago, having carefully calculated I could afford to live on my pension - now that same pension just about covers the monthly household bills and nothing else.

Can’t even escape to a better country in the EU, because the hard of thinking didn’t understand that Freedom of Movement works both ways. My friend’s parents retired to Portugal for 5 years, then moved back to the UK and voted Leave, denying their children and grandchildren the same opportunities they had enjoyed!

What a mess, what a dismal, stupid, self-inflicted mess. We’re a global laughing stock. I will never forgive the thick racists who did this to my country.

PerfectYear321 · 11/04/2023 23:56

Forever42 · 11/04/2023 23:51

I also agree that rejoining the Single Market would undo at least some of the damage. No chance of that while some in the population are so fearful of the term "Freedom of Movement". Despite the fact that immigration levels are higher now than ever.

The ironic thing is that EU migration has fallen off a cliff so we've had to recruit brown people from Asia and Africa. I'm in the medical profession so I see it first hand. Wonder what the racist Brexiters would think of that? 🤣

They will never actually know because it's not like the BBC would dare do their fucking job and report this.

TempsPerdu · 11/04/2023 23:56

Yep, still angry, mostly on behalf of the younger generations who have essentially been shafted by their elders.

It has also irrevocably poisoned my relationship with my Brexit-voting parents, who still can’t recognise what a shitshow it all is and persist on blaming immigrants/unions/feckless, avocado-munching young people for all the country’s ills.

Jourdain11 · 11/04/2023 23:57

Greenshake · 11/04/2023 23:51

But this will always be an issue one way or the other.

They could've allowed EU permanent residents a vote. I've lived here for 14 years. Since they allowed a vote to Commonwealth citizens in the UK, why not EU? It wasn't in the interests of tptb is why.

Greenshake · 11/04/2023 23:59

Jourdain11 · 11/04/2023 23:57

They could've allowed EU permanent residents a vote. I've lived here for 14 years. Since they allowed a vote to Commonwealth citizens in the UK, why not EU? It wasn't in the interests of tptb is why.

Do you think that residents of the UK should be allowed a vote on Scottish independence then?

MuseumGardens · 12/04/2023 00:01

coffeerevelsrule · 11/04/2023 23:15

It's not 7 years since we actually left and there were plenty of people moaning on from 1973 when we joined until we actually left so not sure why we are supposed to now just shut up about it when it's spoilt everything about this country, removed our rights and made us poorer.

The people who voted for it hate people talking about how bad it is and try to shut them down. They also always pretend they voted Remain. Too embarrassed to admit to voting for this shitshow.

Oursenpeluche · 12/04/2023 00:01

All was not lost with Brexit but much was lost by our politicians' total lack of negotiation abilities. I mean what a bunch of useless, self-sabotaging morons.

Greenshake · 12/04/2023 00:02

Oursenpeluche · 12/04/2023 00:01

All was not lost with Brexit but much was lost by our politicians' total lack of negotiation abilities. I mean what a bunch of useless, self-sabotaging morons.

With Cameron being the most spineless of them all.

Loria · 12/04/2023 00:03

@PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog yes the leave campaign definitely tapped into very real gripes of the left-behinds and then latent English exceptionalism carried it through.

The remain campaign would have done much better to spell out to people that the reason their wages were low was nothing to do with the EU but was because their government had twice bailed out private banks with public money and then embarked on a generation long endeavour of printing money and that as soon as they voted leave the vested interests that benefitted from that - including all the rancid individuals like farridge, johnson etc - would be quids in and laughing at them.

MuseumGardens · 12/04/2023 00:04

DappledThings · 11/04/2023 23:18

It's a fundamental change. To the fabric of our society, to the economic and social futures of ourselves and our children, and represented a hugely depressing reality about the number of people in my own country who made such a sad, small choice. It makes it embarrassing every time I step out of the UK into the EU.

I don't think about it every day. But anytime I do it remains with a profound sadness. I don't think that's weird at all.

Of course it isn't weird. It just makes Leave voters feel uncomfortable when people talk about the effects of brexit, so they sneer and try and get people to stop talking about it. (Also why they pretend they voted to Remain)

tescocreditcard · 12/04/2023 00:05

MuseumGardens · 12/04/2023 00:01

The people who voted for it hate people talking about how bad it is and try to shut them down. They also always pretend they voted Remain. Too embarrassed to admit to voting for this shitshow.

"They also always pretend they voted Remain. Too embarrassed to admit to voting for this shitshow"

See, thats not true either. You can see in black and white that I haven't pretended to vote remain. So you lie too, as well as the politicians that lied to us.

HungryMum101 · 12/04/2023 00:07

Brexit decimated my industry as we all predicted. I’ve done something else for a few years, and it’s been nice to slow down and have a break. But the UK, and England especially, is no longer a country of opportunity. We have visas lined up for once my youngest has finished their exams. My Brexit voting parents are heartbroken that they face living their old age alone, with both of their adult children 1000s of miles away.

PerfectYear321 · 12/04/2023 00:07

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Short-sighted. You're happy for the country to drop like a stone as long as you get £2 an hour more. Well done 👏

Ionlydrinkondaysendinginy · 12/04/2023 00:08

teneastereggs · 11/04/2023 22:55

You can’t blame all the ills of this country on Brexit. Whatever your views on it, there are other factors at play.

Rather than trying to' blame all the ills' I'm specifically talking about feeling depressed about Brexit. Which I do.

Your depressed by brexit, choose your words better

CandleInTheStorm · 12/04/2023 00:09

Genuine question, is the food price rises and cost of living crises because of brexit?

Lifeinlists · 12/04/2023 00:09

Greenshake · 11/04/2023 23:59

Do you think that residents of the UK should be allowed a vote on Scottish independence then?

Yes, why not if it affects the whole of the UK? Which it would.

PerfectYear321 · 12/04/2023 00:10

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You're obviously a troll. I don't care if MN ban me because I barely come on here any more.

You voted Brexit but now are goading people that didn't because you and your mythical friends are all benefiting from it. Seems legit 🙄

Oursenpeluche · 12/04/2023 00:10

Greenshake · 12/04/2023 00:02

With Cameron being the most spineless of them all.

Never understood why it was ok for Cameron to detonate the bomb and then wash his hands off the whole thing and walk away. Yes, spineless.

Loria · 12/04/2023 00:11

Oursenpeluche · 12/04/2023 00:01

All was not lost with Brexit but much was lost by our politicians' total lack of negotiation abilities. I mean what a bunch of useless, self-sabotaging morons.

Yeah yeah the problem was that they didn't do the perfect brexit that you had in your head and irrevocably communicated with them via the powers of telepathy 🤦‍♀️

tescocreditcard · 12/04/2023 00:11

CandleInTheStorm · 12/04/2023 00:09

Genuine question, is the food price rises and cost of living crises because of brexit?

I would say it's partly Brexit but mainly the Russia/Ukraine conflict and profiteering supermarkets.

CandleInTheStorm · 12/04/2023 00:13

tescocreditcard · 12/04/2023 00:11

I would say it's partly Brexit but mainly the Russia/Ukraine conflict and profiteering supermarkets.

So if the war in Russia and Ukraine never happened, the col/food prices wouldn't be what they are?

Jourdain11 · 12/04/2023 00:13

Greenshake · 11/04/2023 23:59

Do you think that residents of the UK should be allowed a vote on Scottish independence then?

No, I don't. But English and Welsh people who live in Scotland were allowed to vote, weren't they? So why shouldn't people living in the UK as permanent residents at the time of the referendum been allowed to vote?