To be getting more not less depressed about Brexit as time goes on

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It all seems so pointless doesn't it, I feel sorry that some- probably many- people were duped into voting for it, I feel annoyed that the 48 percent who voted remain have been completely ignored, annoyed about all the divisions it has caused our country and all the rows, and overall just really fed up with the state we are in now. I thought it would be getting better by now but actually feel worse about it now than I did at the time.

Isn’t it obvious how it would be undemocratic??

Why would it be undemocratic? We voted to join….so the referendum of 2016 would have been undemocratic by your reasoning?

the people being affected now should have a vote maybe??

It's irrelevant how many people want a vote to rejoin or how many people would vote to rejoin (high now) because it's not going to happen. That's one of the depressing factors!

No. Or was it undemocratic to have a vote to decide whether to be in the EU in 2016 when we'd already had one in the 70s?

Is there some kind of double jeopardy rule about referenda that qualifies as democratic to you?

But where do you the draw the line if we keep having votes about things that people who were unable to vote first time round are then able to have a vote on the original (now decided) issue? Just look at situation in Scotland regarding this.

I think the country being fed a pack of lies in order to persuade them to vote leave was undemocratic. Surely a democratic vote is based on unbiased, truthful and transparent representation of the subject we're voting on?

@DappledThings, it’s not specific to ME at all, as you well know. The point is, as I asked above, where do you draw the line?

Given that the cost of Brexit alone, has been çalculated at £1,000,000 per hour to the UK economy whilst people are struggling to pay basic bills and have adequate food, it's really not going to be forgotten. Have a look at the BBC article on it recently for evidence.

Where do you draw the line? If not 1975 then why 2016? What if 50 years have passed?

Vote leave broke the law at the time. The whole thing WAS undemocratic

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-statement-vote-leave#:~:text=We%20found%20that%20it%20broke,are%20properly%20investigated%20and%20sanctioned.

plus people did not vote to have a hard Brexit and leave the single market. That was decided after the vote. It was practically THE most undemocratic referendum we could have had

What about people (like me) who weren't able to vote the first time? I think it would be reasonable to allow another opportunity...

I would actually be in support of that type of periodic review Dappled.

Well,at least our food inflation is below that of France, Spain and Germany.

and we haven’t got rival gangs attacking each other with grenades, as In Sweden.

Referenda basically are undemocratic!

In the 1970's the vote was on joining a common market for trade. Not a union that would be interfering in our judicial system and forcing their laws upon us and ultimately working towards more unification. No thanks,

@mummeeee I think the actual question on the ballot paper should have been of a graduated type rather than yes/no.

I live in Europe. Wasn’t able to vote in the referendum. It’s just been an administrative nightmare, especially as I live in one country and work in another. I have to keep giving proof that I’m still entitled to things that I was entitled to before Brexit.
I didn’t live in my country of residence long enough to get nationality and keep my British nationality before Brexit.
At the moment I would have to renounce my British nationality which I’ve looked at but it costs £1000 and means no passport for at least 6 months so I cannot travel during this time.
So it still gets me down.
People in my country of residence find it absurd. They couldn’t believe it happened and all the rigmarole I had to go through.
Even in the local council office today, I had to give ID. My passport is being renewed so luckily I have an ID card that works for these things - but the woman asked why I had it, was it because of Brexit.

Yes but the vote leave campaign said we would leave that very same market. But then did it anyway.

you can’t have it both ways

Yeah same. The impact of it is rippling through everything we do all the time and every now and then the sadness catches me.

This can only continue as our standard of living falls further and we feel the compound effects as years of being out the zone pile up. Eg right now we've had a couple of years of being shut out of multi million collaborative science/medical research projects and a couple of years of educating people in our universities on five year visas who will take that learning elsewhere when the five years are up. Now that is damaging enough. But look five, seven, ten years down the line and see the lost opportunities, lost expertise, lost funding, lost knowledge, lost everything...

We are going to feel it for a long long time - certainly for most of the rest of my working tax-paying life (I am 52) and probably beyond it. I'm not going to "get over" something that my economy will not "get over" when I am paying the price for it every day.

Wouldn’t

No, we left the EU in 2020.

Are you for real? The effects are just feeding through and will become more and more apparent.

Before they even asked the question on the ballot paper they should have set out exactly what people were voting for. But they didn't, so everyone who voted for brexit voted for their own personal version of it as conjured up in their stupid little pointy fucking head.

I don't want it both ways.

How can we move on when we are still suffering the consequences of it????