To be getting more not less depressed about Brexit as time goes on

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It all seems so pointless doesn't it, I feel sorry that some- probably many- people were duped into voting for it, I feel annoyed that the 48 percent who voted remain have been completely ignored, annoyed about all the divisions it has caused our country and all the rows, and overall just really fed up with the state we are in now. I thought it would be getting better by now but actually feel worse about it now than I did at the time.

I voted remain in 2016 or whenever it was.

However I have seen first hand what happens when you have a minority who can't accept the result of a vote. Almost 9 years on from the Scottish independence referendum and we still have the losers feeling hard done by and banging on constantly about another chance at a vote. It's exceptionally tedious and divisive, and means in Scotland nothing gets done as everything is about independence/remaining, rather than the day to day education, NHS etc.

If that's what you really want for the next 20 years in the UK then crack on with moaning about Brexit. Yes it was probably the wrong decision. But the decision was made, we left the EU and they are unlikely to want us back. What exactly are you going to achieve by moaning about it and getting depressed about what might have been. We all need to get on with it, and make the best of the cards we have been dealt.

Yes I have sympathy for this view but I'm not sure it's a comparable situation. Most Remainers are not just sitting there saying "now will I make a decision to moan about the effects of Brexit today or shall I decide to be positive about it?".

On the contrary, we are mostly trying to get on with our days as we don't have any choice but to do that, but then we find ourselves having to fill in eight forms relating to customs and VAT where previously one would have done, and then we go to the supermarket and find there's a shortage of one thing or another or its there, but it costs more, and then find we that we are stuck in a much longer airport queue or a queue at Dover. So the moaning isn't deliberate - it's a direct response to the practical implications of Brexit - that we live with every day. And the negative effects will be gradually increasing not getting any better!

Er, have you been on the sherry? You do realise that the UK has not left NATO?
It's a dystopian world. NATO has been disbanded due to President Donald Trump Jnr withdrawing the USA which sent NATO into chaos.

The UK are not important anymore as they have left the EU. They are powerless and can only sit on the sidelines while mainland EU faces attack after attack.

EU passport holders do you fight for Ursula? Or hold up your navy passport?

Oh FFS, stop it. There is no EU army, and there never will be. Christ!

Well if we're going to make up dystopian worlds... NATO has been disbanded, Europe, including the UK, is attacked, the EU states help defend each other, no one helps the UK. In Europe we feel a bit sorry for the UK but recognise it was their choice in leaving the EU and besides, all too busy fighting our own battles.
British refugees flee but the EU turns them back, they didn't fill out the necessary paperwork and anyway we don't want their cheap labour affecting our own.

Yes indeed about the only benefit that I can see arising out of Brexit is that the UK government will finally have to take responsibility its own decisions and they will no longer be able to say "oh it's all the EU's fault"!

And it's all working so well with immigration now isn't it?

And there's been such huge transparency over what has happened to the 17-19 billion we paid each year to be an EU member?

Of course Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng managed to lose 30 billion didn't they with their disastrous mini budget that no one mentions now?

And Bloomberg estimates that Brexit is costing the UK 100 billion a year what with the UK economy being about 4 % smaller now we've left the single market.

Why is no one talking about the financial hit caused by Brexit which is bound to have had an impact on public services?

The tories will never accept responsibility. They'll always find scapegoats to blame. They can't blame the EU or immigrants any more, so they'll just blame sections of the UK public instead.

If Labour had brought about something that was doing as much damage to businesses, UK Science and the economy as Brexit we'd never hear the end of it. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/25/what-have-we-done-six-years-on-uk-counts-the-cost-of-brexit

Although the trade deals that have been agreed are appalling and do us harm financially. We're now accepting lower welfare food and farmers are suffering. As an island it is immensely stupid not to be as self sufficient as possible in every area - food, energy and all the companies in charge of everything else. How many overseas companies control services?
Legislation being watered down. Deregulation sounds great as a word but means less protection for us individually.
We have been signed up to CPTPP which is as bad or worse than TTIP threatened to be. Then we had block protection with the EU to avoid joining it, sadly we are no longer protected against the vandals in power.

British refugees flee but the EU turns them back,
lol why would British refugees flee, we are not being attacked. The EU is being attacked.

Should have gone to Specsavers 😂

We have been signed up to CPTPP which is as bad or worse than TTIP threatened to be. Then we had block protection with the EU to avoid joining it, sadly we are no longer protected against the vandals in power.

Yes this is something that those bleating about sovereignty didn't seem to grasp!

So marvellous to have the ability to govern ourselves until you realise that those governing are a corrupt band of shysters looking to run down public services in order to make profits for their chums.

When we were members of the EU at least the public had the security of knowing that government had signed up to minimum standards relating to quality of food, working practices, the environment. We have now handed all of our power over to right-wing billionaires whose activities are masked by the right wing press. The EU afforded us a level of protection against this predicament.

so in your dystopian argument, the UK would be completely self sufficient and being protected by some impenetrable force shield?

You were making up nonsense scenarios so I made up my own too. In mine, the UK is also attacked.

'Never understood why it was ok for Cameron to detonate the bomb and then wash his hands off the whole thing and walk away. Yes, spineless.'

So much this. He should've been made to stay on (no idea how that would happen, but still) and clean up the mess he made.

Its great in theory and makes a superb soundbite. But he campaigned to remain. when the vote unexpectedly went against him, he decided that someone who was profoundly against Brexit would not be the person to take it forward, and that he and his cause were discredited to the point where he would not command the authority to lead. I don't know about you, but I don't want someone in the top job who doesn't want to be there dragging their heels like a sulky teenager forced to wash the car for their pocket money.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/huge-blow-for-rishi-sunak-nhs-waiting-lists-hit-record-high_uk_6437dddee4b066950598f367

The prime minister made bringing them down one of his five pledges to voters.

As well as promising to cut waiting lists, Sunak also vowed to halve inflation, grow the economy, bring down the national debt and stop small boats carrying asylum seekers across the Channel from France.
However, the boats are still continuing to arrive in Dover, while it was confirmed today that GDP flatlined in February.

Sorry wrong thread

"I don't know about you, but I don't want someone in the top job who doesn't want to be there dragging their heels like a sulky teenager forced to wash the car for their pocket money."

That would be a vast improvement on Boris Johnson.
He may have campaigned for Remain, but it was him that allowed the referendum in the first place. It should at least have been dependent on a Super-Majority.

One of the other bad things about Brexit is that it's turned us from a (reasonably) calm, tolerant society into two opposing sides who can never be reconciled. Everything is so tribal now. We're getting as bad as America,

And despite the Tories having been in power for 13 years, and a (mostly) rabidly right-wing press, this woman thinks it's because of the Woke.

She should be hiding away in shame and disgrace, but no...

Very Annoying that Cameron, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss are raking in fortunes in pensions given to former PMs.

On the contrary, we are mostly trying to get on with our days as we don't have any choice but to do that, but then we find ourselves having to fill in eight forms relating to customs and VAT where previously one would have done, and then we go to the supermarket and find there's a shortage of one thing or another or its there, but it costs more, and then find we that we are stuck in a much longer airport queue or a queue at Dover. So the moaning isn't deliberate - it's a direct response to the practical implications of Brexit - that we live with every day. And the negative effects will be gradually increasing not getting any better!

Yes this. Empty shelves in supermarkets etc its not like you can just ignore it.

The gaps on supermarket shelves tell their own story of how brexit is playing out for the country. Exporters having a time of it due to excessive paper work. Brexit hardly a resounding success. The electorate was sold a lie.

Wasn't the reason given to 'take back control'? Control would be just that. Over as much of the DUK as possible. The D is for dis by the way.

No force shield but more security than we have in being so reliant on other countries. Obviously

Not just Supermarkets but Pharmacies too, whole chains shutting, Tesco closing some in store ones, lack of drugs and qualified staff.

Now its either Brexit and there simply isn't enough time to mitigate OR the warnings were on the wall years ago and the Tories failed to act.

Either way, who is going to suffer? Bojo, Cameron, Truss, Sunak or us lot?

One of the other bad things about Brexit is that it's turned us from a (reasonably) calm, tolerant society into two opposing sides who can never be reconciled. Everything is so tribal now. We're getting as bad as America

I ve said similar on other threads.

The division Brexit has caused is awful, honestly, who pre 2015, gave a fuck about the EU ?

I ve pretty wide circle and was working for a multi national company, mum a nurse... no one gave a stuff.

Now look at us?

I don't agree at all. Cameron should have stayed on and dealt with it. Instead he left the way clear for the arch liar Johnson, who just says what he thinks people want to hear regardless of reality, to be in charge of the biggest change this country has faced for decades.

No, but it is a fucking massive I'll and many people will never get over it.

You cannot get over something that is still damaging you.