Sainsburys now doing nectar price

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I've never really liked tesco club card prices because if you forget your club card you have to change your shopping habits for that shop and now sainsburys have followed suit with nectar prices!
Why can't supermarkets just either be price effective or just do deals like before? Can't stand this it'll be £8.10 without your nectar card or £4 with! Give me strength and reasonable prices ffs!

Anyone know why they're not available for online grocery shops? 😕

I’m flattered you think I could keep a running total in my head whilst shopping! My arithmetic is not bad but I’d get bored quite quickly

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Nectar prices? They are available online. I'm about to get a delivery that includes a 24 pack of Coke Zero for £5.

I don't understand it either
Sign up online, use a fake name, fake address
You'll get the vouchers straight to your phone (previously they get sent by post)
But they won't have your real info 🤷‍♀️

Noticed this too in boots there is an advantage card price.

Aldi has a totally different business model. They keep their prices low a different way. You're comparing apples and pears.

Also, Aldi and Lidl are not anywhere near the price difference vs other supermarkets now - their prices have risen more than the big 4 (% wise). It's just that we all still think of them as the cheapest (which they are, but not by as much as they were) so our brain tells us we are getting a good deal.

Shoppers get a good price at the discounters, but they compromise in other areas - the shopping experience is not as good (matters a lot to a surprising number of people), the range is more limited, and the quality of some products is not the same. These are all trade offs people make for a cheaper price. The trade off in the Big 4 is to use a loyalty card but still enjoy the other benefits of shopping in those stores.

Your phone number is a real info!

Apps also typically have trackers so they're also getting some other information from your phone. Some of them have multiple apps listed so it's not so clear which is the loyalty card one, but looking it up on Aurora, Tesco Grocery and Clubcard has 6 trackers and 23 permissions (include things like access and modification rights to storage and calendar and emails 'without owners' knowledge' which the other ones don't claim), Nectar Collect & Spend points has 5 (mostly Google based) trackers and 13 permissions, Waitrose have 4 trackers and 21 permissions, Lidl Plus has 6 trackers and 24 permissions.

There was much less data to be gathered in the physical card model than the phone app model.

Just tried to do this but Nectar doesn't appear as an option to add to my Apple Wallet. I wonder if Sainsbury's have recently stopped their partnership with Apple?

Just get the app...

I also don't understand why everyone is so against supermarkets 'having their data'

The data is used to make range and stock decisions and offer personalised rewards, to make the shopping trip better. They're not spying on you, and they can't identify you as an individual anyway. (Source, I work for one) Do you also have an issue with having a driving license and passport?

No, but you can compare the prices of each item on the shelf. You don’t need a clubcard to do that.

Loyalty cards have nothing to do with driving licenses and passports. Those are government documents, not retailers. They're also necessary legally for certain activities (crossing most borders, driving a car). Actually, some people do object to having to have ID outside of these purposes, which is part of the reason why the UK is pretty singular among European countries in not having national ID cards.

I think retailers should treat all customers equally and I was particularly disgusted and disturbed to learn that they also buy transaction data from Visa and Mastercard (that V and MC sell them) even if you don't use loyalty cards. Personalised rewards, which in practice tend to be very limited, are just the minor and more acceptable face of personalised pricing.

Why should they treat all customers equally when it comes to benefits? Retailers have rewarded loyal customers for decades (probably centuries).

Most business have different terms for different clients. That’s not discrimination.

Do you also object to store cards like John Lewis that give holders benefits like sales previews, discounts etc?

I think retailers should treat all customers equally

Why? Their priority is to maximise profits at any cost using any legal schemes they can. They aren’t unions.

Why should they charge different customers different prices for the same product? It's not just that 'better' customers are rewarded with lower prices or benefits: it's that 'worse' (lower-spend) customers are penalised in turn. In a neutral set-up, they'd all be equally in the middle.

If anything, it's a return to a previous practice of pre-standardised pricing. Before you had prices listed on the shelf, you could charge whatever. With barter and haggling, even more so!

I remember enjoying Joseph Turow's The Aisles Have Eyes, which I recommend.

it's that 'worse' (lower-spend) customers are penalised in turn. In a neutral set-up, they'd all be equally in the middle.

I just want a cheaper food shopping bill, and if ‘less worthy’ customers are penalised, then quite frankly, I couldn’t give the shiniest of shits.

You might when you in turn are the 'less worthy' customer at another retailer.

That's the reason I don't shop in our Tesco which is the nearest supermarket to me. I don't want a "clubcard", I just want honest prices. It's just distasteful.

Consider also that the issue of price differentiation is not just loyalty cards at specific places. Is it right that a shop offers discounted prices to say Amex Black or Platinum cardholders, because they want to attract more rich customers who might spend more? So that those who are less well-off and have maybe bog-standard Mastercard are charged more on the basis of being poorer?

But lower spend customers have just as much right to a clubcard as higher spend customers.

It’s not awarded based on your income!

But that’s not a like for like comparison, as anyone can get a CC!

Not everyone can get an Amex Platinum card!

But lower spend customers have just as much right to a clubcard as higher spend customers.

So they can get Clubcards, can’t they? Am I missing something here?

@Rockbird : thank you for the reminder, I've just added my card to my phone wallet!

Yes, they can get Clubcards. Anyone can get a CC.

I suppose it’s possible some people may miss out (elderly people who don’t use loyalty cards, people who are new to UK and may be unfamiliar with the cards or people with learning difficulties. I do agree that it’s a shame for them but I think it will be a very small minority.

They're a business so they need to make profits.

They wouldn't make sufficient profit offering every customer every deal. Hence a club card. The club card changes a casual customer into a loyal one.

So YABU.

(Also, get the app, most people have their phones on them)