Why so anti drag?

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I've just watched the Paul oGrady tribute programme and it brought me to tears.
He did so much for children and their families and for so so many animals, plus against social injustice for gay people and anti section 28, not being scared to raise its injustice on mainstream tv.
My 75yr old mum is very upset about his passing.
Why the hate for drag performers?
My children grew up with Boy George,Marilyn and Leigh Bowrie RIP as they are friends. My children (boy and girl, now a woman and a man) always knew that they were, and are, men and saw them without costume wigs and makeup.
I'm also friends with a married couple who were drag queens a long time ago. My children have always known that these guys are men, dressing up as women, as they liked to and it was entertainment.
No offence meant to women. They saw them dressed as their drag persona but also without costume and mostly as men.
One couple of ex drag queens I know are now a Director for a hospice and his husband is a social work manager. Reputable jobs, no desire to be women and have two cats who are their babies. Lovely men.
Pantos have always had men playing women but we all know that they're men. Shakespeare plays had men playing women - that's more offensive to me.
Female authors like SE Sinton wrote and published amazing books without her obviously female first names - as she couldn't get published otherwise. These upset me much more

Wouldn't it be great to go back to those times when people could wear what they like but no one could use it as a stick to beat women over the head with?

Perhaps part of the issue is that the younger 'pick me' women don't remember how gender bending was common place and truly think that they are the progressive ones.

They are also failing to actually understand what they hated JKR actually said that caused all of the uproar.

It started with ...

"Dress however you please"....

I remember the 80's fondly - lots of men wearing feminine clothes and makeup (better applied than me often).

Very gender bending but never, ever, any kind of caricature of women.

They were true to themselves - not a parody.

PO'G did it for a laugh
Danny La Rue did it for a laugh
Ru Paul does it for a laugh
Panto stars do it for a laugh - and indeed portray women as men
Blackpool "stars" do it for a laugh
The cast of It Ain't Half Hot Mum did it for a laugh

....... what's the problem? Apart from people making stuff up to be outraged about.....

Yes I look back fondly on this era.

God me too. First crush was Howard Jones (followed closely by Toyah Wilcox - not that I would have ever admitted it). Then the soft rockers with their long hair and guyliner. Didn’t really discover Bowie till my early 20s (to my older brothers disgust) and wow, wished I’d been born 10 years earlier.

Still love a bloke in guyliner now, and recently saw a vid of Steven Tyler playing with Eminem last year and have to admit my heart beat that little bit faster…

@PrivateMolecule0 how about reading the thread?

Thanks for the cancellation attempt, but I do resist all attempts to silence me. All the best.

@PrivateMolecule0 Absolutely no desire to silence you. I just thought that since your questions have been addressed multiple times on this thread, it might be more productive if you checked out what people are saying then you could say what you disagree with.

Thank you for your most gracious suggestion!

Just wondering what the point is in engaging in a thread then refusing to engage with the thread?

Have a look on YouTube for compilations of drag acts in front of kids. We've had gems such as "flow-job" and "dildo butt monkey" doing highly sexualised and pornographic performances in front of kids! That's not acceptable. I never saw Paul O'Grady doing any of that stuff. One video shows a drag queen at drag story hour teaching children how to twerk. Another shows a man wearing a rainbow monkey suit with his bottom on display and a large, pink dildo hanging from the front. Another showed kids stuffing money bills into the thongs of very scantily clad queen's, while a neon light behind the performer informed the audience that "it won't lick itself". No, Paul O'Grady didn't do these things. And he didn't tell us we HAVE to like it or else we're bigoted either.

Ah well, @lifeturnsonadime, it's great when you know it's absolutely fine to ignore someone!

Many thanks for your message.

…… ”refusing to engage with the thread” is very different to what’s happening here, which is me refusing to have my view silenced because of an unfounded view someone has about whether I’ve read a strand or not.

Do you have problems with reality?

You are being asked your opinion, which is the opposite of being silenced!

You are refusing to engage. That's on you.

Or perhaps you just don't understand how mumsnet threads work?

I'd also add that any sort of sexual kink is pretty much embraced by it too. Not a problem we all initially think as providing we're talking about activities between consenting adults what could be wrong?

Until those activities become more publicly celebrated (furries at Pride, men who get a thrill dressing as a girl child plastering those pics on public SM sites) and boundaries become blurred so our kids start to see adults "living their best life " in this manner and in front of them as normal.

To clarify very clearly as I'm sure I'll be jumped on for this -

In no way is this the same way people used to view homosexuality. For two consenting people of the same sex to love each other will never, ever impact on or harm another person.

Mr Tumble isn't overtly sexualised adult entertainment FGS

Ahhh.

Don't you love it when in a mighty long thread with lots of reasons why people are concerned about drag (boundaries of children, misogyny etc) someone comes along and asks "what's the problem "

Someone suggesting you read the thread to find the answer to your question isn't 'silencing' for goodness sake.