Or is teaching 6 Yr old about crucixation out of order?

[Whostoblame]

I might be over reacting but after multiple nights on the trot sleeping no more than 45-60 mins at a time I'm at the end of my tether. 6 year old goes to a non dom school and we are agnostic/atheist at home. School have been teaching them about Jesus and Easter etc including how Jesus was crucified. I now have a sobbing child every night who can't get the pictures out if her mind (and I'm not surprised!!)and subsequently cant sleep from about midnight, crying. Aibu to complain to school that 6 is way too young to be taught this?!

We explained to our neice that the priest believes after we die we'll meet again, which leads down the route of her suddenly realising she will die. Such a fun conversation...

You took her to a funeral. Surely she knew whst that meant?

But it wasn't, it was prompted by that on the day of the funeral of her granny who she dearly loved.

I mean you could literally excuse anything in that way. I'd love to know how the Christians on here feel about for example sex education in primary schools? Is it ok to be extremely graphic about sex with a 6 yr old because they'll learn about it one day?

She was 7

Yes, so you said.

But she must have known WHY she was there.

But you weren't, nor were her parents.
Why take her and then condemn the priest for following a perfectly normal funeral service because it upset your child? Or your niece?

I was thinking this too. Sounds to me like OP is being a bit over the top..

So you don’t want your kids to know about things which are key drivers throughout history, current societies across the world and very important to many peoples lives. OK then!!! You really are doing your kids a disservice. Not exactly open minded

So you expected a priest in a religious service to ignore one of the most fundamental believes of the relevant religion, something that would have brought great comfort to most of the people there for the benefit of a young child who got confused. It was her parents job to sort out what was being said.

OP, I got lost at the point where you segued from a pederast priest to a lovely floating from one family to the next priest before decrying the fact that funerals, by necessity, acknowledge that there is a dead body in the church (presumably this didn't come as a shock to you OP- did you or your niece's parents explain what happens at a funeral before hand?)
There is no correlation between a child going to a funeral and comprehending that we all die and Christians being "graphic about sex" because a child will learn about sex one day.
You do seem overly preoccupied and raging against the crucifix, have you considered finding a spiritual director (or confessor if you are a Catholic?)to explore this? There are many beautiful representations of Christ that you may want to glance at, if the cross disturbs you. This one is very beautiful and consoling, the Samaritan woman at the well -she had many questions as well

So yeah, they do declare that death is infact not final

This is a rather fundamental tenet of Christianity...

But it wasn't, it was prompted by that on the day of the funeral of her granny who she dearly loved.
I don't understand why it's shocking to you that the death of her grandmother would prompt a realisation that we all die.

You seem to have very unrealistic expectations in believing that your children should continue innocently unaware and ignorance of things that are happening all around them.

Maybe we should use the attached in RE lessons for 6 year olds (castration seems an ok topic these days so Attis will be embraced)

@Forgooodnesssakenow

Come on, now. Surely you can see where people are coming from?

Quite the opposite, as far as any evidence shows, death is final. It's not unrealistic to think that doenst need to be flowered up with afterlife nonsense.

Actually there is no evidence to show death is final, nor is it likely that science will ever be able to prove that. It is not a falsifiable hypothesis what happens after death, if there is an after life it is most likely beyond observation through scientific means. There might or might not be an afterlife- but scientific methodology will likely not be the arbiter of that

Did you feel the wooosh as my point sailed past you? 😄

Again - it comes down to the gradual shift of language and translations etc (and although I have a little knowledge of NT Greek, I don't have any Hebrew, so can't go directly to OT sources). The term "hate"didn't have a single meaning the way we think of it. Nor did it mean a dislike so intense that you loathed everything about someone and would do them a bad turn if you got the chance (as some people do).

It signified a strong dislike that causes us to avoid people who behaved badly. SO - God "hates" ie avoids, people who behave sinfully - who kill, steal, cheat, etc

When Jesus said “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26) he did not literally mean "hate" in the way we think of it - he was saying to think about what was most important. Being a follower of Jesus should be the most important thing in a Christian's life.

With regard to "loving sinners, hating sin" (yes - you're right, it is trite) the NT is very clear that true repentance (emphasis on "TRUE") and belief will lead to forgiveness and welcome in to heaven. Jesus on the cross forgave one of the robbers who recognised his divinity and repented.

I knew you wouldn't let me down! Wish I was able to explain things like this!

<blush>

IDK I did some Greek at uni, I'll have to look stuff up when I haven't had wine.

I suppose Jesus did arguably speak in metaphor sometimes. Only a few cults expect us to literally shun our family if they're not Christian.

Maybe I take things too literally and adversarially, but before I was a Christian, I used to think 'well, he tells them to cut out their eyes or cut off their arms if they cause them to sin, but I don't see many of them doing it' (except maybe one or two extreme cults or mentally ill individuals.)

A Priest said to me the other day 'God is never going to judge us harder than we judge ourselves' which I think is quite sweet.

Of course I don't like the idea of people being cast into the pit; it's extreme-sounding and surprising esp coming from Jesus with all we culturally assume about him, that's why it sticks in the mind.

He did say that believing in Him as the Messiah/God and following Him is the only way to Heaven; being nice is not enough.

People picking and choosing what to follow out of the Bible has always annoyed me, even before I was a Christian. But I suppose most/all denominations (or people) do in one way or another.

I try not to do it much but I haven't cut off my eyes or hand. Even though baptism seems to have made me more gay.

It's definitely insanity but good luck fighting it. Maybe contact the humanist society for advice. I felt the same with my daughter but we bought a book on many different religions and how beliefs are cultural and it calmed her down to see that its just a gross story to enslave the masses.

Is it grosser than Mohammed having sex with a child?

And being crucified isn't a story, it's a real thing that happened to a fair few people. Usually the outcome was purely grim. Thankfully with Jesus it had a redemptive arc.

Yanbu.

I wouldn't be fussed about them learning the Easter story. I would be very unhappy about them being taught the mechanics of crucifixion at 6. Even as an adult, the methods of torture used in the past (and present) make me very uncomfortable.

It's unnecessarily bloodthirsty in primary school. Let them learn about it in secondary school.

A man called Joshua bar Joseph was crucified on the orders of Pontius Pilate. Crucifixion was a common Roman method of execution

Exactly. Not sure why this should be kept as a mystery from children? Obviously, the next question will be ‘what is crucifixion’ and you answer that. Hardly child abuse and the problem these days is that children have been raised to be over sensitive. I recall some parent complaining g when one of mine was in early years that a picture of an Egyptian mummy had been shown and their precious petal was disturbed. Complete batshit.

Also rules out teaching kids about British history really and the rolling headcount of kings and wives done away with by siblings eager to climb the ladder, kings who wanted new wives etc. Centuries worth of stuff to keep from kids if you bring them up to find this stuff disturbing.

Ah the humanist society, a great balance!!!

So what did your DD say when you explained a peaceful teacher called Yeshua ben Joseph was crucified as this was a common practice and happened to thousands of others for trying to adapt the Jewish religion but this time without the jhappy ending? Was she upset that a potentially mentally ill man was tortured to death? Interested in how you explained this to keep it in line with circumstances widely agreed by historians. How did you explain all the other religions?

Also, it’s not “just a gross story to enslave the masses” it might have been subsequently used that way, but you’re ignoring the historical position as well as the deep symbolism within the story. Sounds like you have done your DD a bit of a disservice here.that’s the danger of parents teaching their kids based on their own ideologies