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Or is teaching 6 Yr old about crucixation out of order?

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Whostoblame · 08/04/2023 20:30

I might be over reacting but after multiple nights on the trot sleeping no more than 45-60 mins at a time I'm at the end of my tether. 6 year old goes to a non dom school and we are agnostic/atheist at home. School have been teaching them about Jesus and Easter etc including how Jesus was crucified. I now have a sobbing child every night who can't get the pictures out if her mind (and I'm not surprised!!)and subsequently cant sleep from about midnight, crying. Aibu to complain to school that 6 is way too young to be taught this?!

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Cosyblankets · 09/04/2023 21:27

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:26

And if you think about it, think back to your reaction when taught about the crown of thorns being pressed into Jesus head, about the vinegar being used to burn his oarcehd lips, bout his bleeding knees as he fell on a dry path? Suitable for 6 yr olds?

Well I'm not scarred for life

Cosyblankets · 09/04/2023 21:28

@Forgooodnesssakenow that was not meant to come across as flippant or anything I've just not thought about it

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 21:29

Cosyblankets · 09/04/2023 21:27

Well I'm not scarred for life

Very few of us are... Clearly you are, @Forgooodnesssakenow, but stop trying to portray it as a universal problem. Because it isn't.

AngryBirdsNoMore · 09/04/2023 21:30

Emotionalsupportviper · 09/04/2023 20:44

This.

And the misconception of a 'sky fairy" - we don't believe that. Or that there is an old man on a cloud who watches us trying to catch us out.

What we (or ay least I) do believe is that there is a greater being -one that can't be described using human words because it is so very different from us. A being more different from ourselves that trying to understand it is like - I dunno - a woodlouse trying to understand and describe the complexities of the human psyche.

This being is benevolent and created all universes and the life in them through an outpouring of sheer love, and that everything is in a delicate balance, but that humanity is very flawed and upset the balance. The great creative force (God) works in us and through us to bring everything back into balance, but does not force the divine influence on us, but works to open our hearts to the injustices around us - injustices affecting all of creation, not just humanity, but every living thing - and wants us to work to put them right.

This divine spirit took on physical form as Jesus Christ - both setting us an example and showing us that the Godself was also prepared to suffer as necessary in solidarity, and wasn't just saying 'Ah - it's not that bad. Just get on with it."

It IS all about love, and community and hope. and fellowship not only with all of humanity, but with all of creation - beautiful, delicately balanced creation which we have knocked out of kilter with our selfishness and greed.

Amen!

PollyPut · 09/04/2023 21:36

You can expect your primary school to teach about a whole bunch of religions and religious festivals. It's part of the national curriculum. Diwali seems to be a favourite every year, but my DC have all learnt about several religions. It helps them to learn about what others believe and is very important in today's society.

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 21:37

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:24

It's being discussed here as it is the subject of the thread, ask some of your previously religious atheist friends if they think crucifixion as a story si suitable for a 6 year old, because it's discussed among other recovering Catholics and Christians in my circle and we all agree that it's pretty horrific.

As I said, I will discuss it with them, but it has never been brought up before (many things have). However, it is always worth considering the issue of false memories - was it really traumatic at the time for everyone, is there a contagion element to this, a banding together against a common enemy?

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:49

Cosyblankets · 09/04/2023 21:27

Well I'm not scarred for life

I disagree, I've not thought about it much until this thread had me remember but don't you think that's a little crazy? That we're so desensitised to it? Isn't that scarring in itself?

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:50

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 21:37

As I said, I will discuss it with them, but it has never been brought up before (many things have). However, it is always worth considering the issue of false memories - was it really traumatic at the time for everyone, is there a contagion element to this, a banding together against a common enemy?

You think that's more likely than a priest describing brutal torture and murder in detail and attributing blame to a small child being an unpleasant experience?

What about this, what good is there, for that child, in being taught that?

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:51

PollyPut · 09/04/2023 21:36

You can expect your primary school to teach about a whole bunch of religions and religious festivals. It's part of the national curriculum. Diwali seems to be a favourite every year, but my DC have all learnt about several religions. It helps them to learn about what others believe and is very important in today's society.

But should a 6 yr old be taught about the realities of crucifixion?

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:53

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 21:29

Very few of us are... Clearly you are, @Forgooodnesssakenow, but stop trying to portray it as a universal problem. Because it isn't.

I think anyone who thinks it's ok to pedal this story out to more primary aged children in the detail it is told IS damaged and desensitised.

Badgerstmary · 09/04/2023 21:55

Op, at my son’s school in year 2, not only did they learn about the crucifixion, they also put on a play to the whole school about it. My ds was very proud to play the part of Jesus & ‘died’ on the cross. No children were troubled by this as the school & the parents dealt with it appropriately. Yes I do believe it should be learnt about at this age.

Emotionalsupportviper · 09/04/2023 21:57

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:25

So you'll also believe in equality of love regardless of sexuality and marriage as an expression of that love?

Yes, I do.

There are several kinds of love (four according to the ancient Greeks) but I assume you are meaning erotic love here.

I disagree with the CofE's proscription on homosexual relationships. God created us as we are - who we are attracted to physically is innate, and is neither learned or sinful behaviour. Our sexuality is part of the person God created us to be. I think that the CofE should at the very least allow blessings of civil partnerships.

However, I'm not comfortable with promiscuity (either sex) as I think that it is disrespectful to ourselves and others and can be damaging spiritually and psychologically.

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 21:59

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:53

I think anyone who thinks it's ok to pedal this story out to more primary aged children in the detail it is told IS damaged and desensitised.

I think the state you've clearly worked yourself into is excessive, tbh.
I'm fine, everyone I know who has had a similar education is fine, you are clearly affected by something, but who knows what it's origins are?

Check2223334 · 09/04/2023 22:03

@Saniflo

Is your child’s school Church of England aided or just a community school ? My child will be attending one soon because I have no other choice , I’m worried about about what will be taught and the church visits etc. I don’t mind them learning about different religions but it seems like brainwashing to me to be making children attend “collective worship” everyday, pray and visit church’s. That’s all based on Christianity not a variety of religions. How did the school react to you requesting removal from RE? What do they do instead , do they feel left out?

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 22:10

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:50

You think that's more likely than a priest describing brutal torture and murder in detail and attributing blame to a small child being an unpleasant experience?

What about this, what good is there, for that child, in being taught that?

Actually yes, I do think it’s more likely esp on multiple occasions with multiple priests across the world which you seem to be indicating.

well, as I’ve said multiple times it is imperative for children to be taught about Christianity in order to understand the western world.

OldFan · 09/04/2023 22:12

Not to mention lying to the masses for control. Christianity in its truest form

@Forgooodnesssakenow Christianity isn't in control in many places though, is it? I think Woke-ism has almost as much impact now in the West. Prince Charles is probably Woke, he's into all sorts of flakey stuff.

VestaTilley · 09/04/2023 22:14

We’re Christian and started talking to DS about it (in very light terms from age 2 or so). Now we read to him from his childrens bible and skip over anything that seems excessively gory to our modern eyes, but he still understands what happened. You just have to explain it in a sensitive way- no nightmares here.

OldFan · 09/04/2023 22:15

It IS all about love

@Emotionalsupportviper Not really. It's maybe about Justice as He defines it. God hates loads of different people- they can turn over a new leaf whenever, though.

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 23:00

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 21:59

I think the state you've clearly worked yourself into is excessive, tbh.
I'm fine, everyone I know who has had a similar education is fine, you are clearly affected by something, but who knows what it's origins are?

😂 I couldn't be less in a state, my point is that Christians don't want to accept how inappropriate these stories are for small children hence attempting to make you understand with equivalent stories not mired in Christianity.

I love this idea that I must be hugely upset or hysterical to be stating the problems with teaching torture and murder to primary kids

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 23:01

VestaTilley · 09/04/2023 22:14

We’re Christian and started talking to DS about it (in very light terms from age 2 or so). Now we read to him from his childrens bible and skip over anything that seems excessively gory to our modern eyes, but he still understands what happened. You just have to explain it in a sensitive way- no nightmares here.

So you've desensitised and indoctrinated effectively. Very Christian indeed.

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 23:02

OldFan · 09/04/2023 22:12

Not to mention lying to the masses for control. Christianity in its truest form

@Forgooodnesssakenow Christianity isn't in control in many places though, is it? I think Woke-ism has almost as much impact now in the West. Prince Charles is probably Woke, he's into all sorts of flakey stuff.

Oh yep, woke ism, that's a problem eh? Teaching kids about reproduction clearly a way bigger problem than teaching them about torture and murder.

OldFan · 09/04/2023 23:10

So you've desensitised and indoctrinated effectively. Very Christian indeed.

@Forgooodnesssakenow No Christian is trying to desensitise anyone to the Crucifixion I don't think. Quite the opposite. It's, like, one of the central things. None of us are going to downplay it. PP is just talking about being age appropriate for her DC when it comes to the details.

I mean, to give one example no kid needs to know that crucifixion usually leads to death by asphyxiation as people can't easily breathe in that position. They have to try and haul their body up to catch a death. Jesus didn't take very long to die, so he may well have actually died as a result of the injuries he previously sustained.

OldFan · 09/04/2023 23:11

Oh yep, woke ism, that's a problem eh? Teaching kids about reproduction clearly a way bigger problem than teaching them about torture and murder.

@Forgooodnesssakenow Who said anything about reproduction? Confused

OldFan · 09/04/2023 23:12

I'm sure everyone thinks kids should be taught about reproduction.

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 09/04/2023 23:32

During the Liturgy of Good Friday the faithful approach the crucifix, and venerate it, usually with a bow, before kissing it. Young children, teenagers, toddlers, old men kneeling down...an entirely human and moving response to the enormity of the Saviour's sacrifice and love for us.
You can't have Christianity without the Cross.

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