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Or is teaching 6 Yr old about crucixation out of order?

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Whostoblame · 08/04/2023 20:30

I might be over reacting but after multiple nights on the trot sleeping no more than 45-60 mins at a time I'm at the end of my tether. 6 year old goes to a non dom school and we are agnostic/atheist at home. School have been teaching them about Jesus and Easter etc including how Jesus was crucified. I now have a sobbing child every night who can't get the pictures out if her mind (and I'm not surprised!!)and subsequently cant sleep from about midnight, crying. Aibu to complain to school that 6 is way too young to be taught this?!

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bossonext · 10/04/2023 09:37

bossonext · 10/04/2023 08:53

Comparing non-Christians to flat earthers. Nice.

By all means then deny that it is true (after all, some people still think the earth is flat)

Yup, comparing non-Christians to flat earthers.

whyhere · 10/04/2023 09:41

Okay... I'll try again.

My point is that to deny the historically-proven facts of Jesus existence and the historically-proven facts of certain New Testament events is to mislead people. It's so easy to find this information online.

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 09:42

Check2223334 · 09/04/2023 22:03

@Saniflo

Is your child’s school Church of England aided or just a community school ? My child will be attending one soon because I have no other choice , I’m worried about about what will be taught and the church visits etc. I don’t mind them learning about different religions but it seems like brainwashing to me to be making children attend “collective worship” everyday, pray and visit church’s. That’s all based on Christianity not a variety of religions. How did the school react to you requesting removal from RE? What do they do instead , do they feel left out?

It IS possible for you to encourage your child to join in with school like but remind them that everyone believes different things. Teach them RESPECT.

And let your child decide for themselves.

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 09:44

OldFan · 09/04/2023 22:15

It IS all about love

@Emotionalsupportviper Not really. It's maybe about Justice as He defines it. God hates loads of different people- they can turn over a new leaf whenever, though.

I would love to know what church you attend.

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 09:45

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 23:01

So you've desensitised and indoctrinated effectively. Very Christian indeed.

Why do you have to be so bloody offensive!

BMW6 · 10/04/2023 09:51

Watch Spartacus with your child OP. They all get crucified at the end! 😉

Magenta82 · 10/04/2023 10:03

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 21:53

I think anyone who thinks it's ok to pedal this story out to more primary aged children in the detail it is told IS damaged and desensitised.

Agreed, it feels like the same energy as the people who say "my parents hit me and it didn't do any harm" except that they are adults advocating for hurting small children so clearly a bit messed up!

zingally · 10/04/2023 10:19

Speaking as a primary school teacher, I think you just have a sensitive kid. Kids can, and do, get tied up about the most nothingy subjects. Not that long ago, I had a kid go home and have nightmares about Florence Nightingale's dirty hospital in the Crimea. She's a common topic in Yr1/2.
I've also had kids cry over the great fire of London, police sirens in our "people who help us" topic, dead dinosaurs, deforestation, Victorian schools - an endless list.
Personally, I think the religion element is bugging you more.

OMG12 · 10/04/2023 10:26

zingally · 10/04/2023 10:19

Speaking as a primary school teacher, I think you just have a sensitive kid. Kids can, and do, get tied up about the most nothingy subjects. Not that long ago, I had a kid go home and have nightmares about Florence Nightingale's dirty hospital in the Crimea. She's a common topic in Yr1/2.
I've also had kids cry over the great fire of London, police sirens in our "people who help us" topic, dead dinosaurs, deforestation, Victorian schools - an endless list.
Personally, I think the religion element is bugging you more.

Exactly this.

bossonext · 10/04/2023 10:48

whyhere · 10/04/2023 09:41

Okay... I'll try again.

My point is that to deny the historically-proven facts of Jesus existence and the historically-proven facts of certain New Testament events is to mislead people. It's so easy to find this information online.

Which historically proven facts are these?

BMW6 · 10/04/2023 11:13

A man called Joshua bar Joseph was crucified on the orders of Pontius Pilate.

Crucifixion was a common Roman method of execution.

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 11:16

I mean, probably best not to tell her that crucifixion is still used in parts of the world today.

Astorminateacup · 10/04/2023 13:12

catmg · 08/04/2023 20:34

If a non dom school means its not affiliated to any religion, then you are not BU. They should be teaching all religions equally, like the ideas they are, rather than preaching one in particular like it's fact.

But whagt if they cover other religions at other times, and this was Christianity's turn?

ReadersD1gest · 10/04/2023 13:16

Astorminateacup · 10/04/2023 13:12

But whagt if they cover other religions at other times, and this was Christianity's turn?

Yes, what with it being Easter and all... It was kind of topical 😁

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2023 13:24

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 09:17

This is NOT ok.

Think you should find yourself a different church.

Especially that this is archaic language (King James translation), and "fear" meant "respect" - ie acknowledgement of God's power, might and authority.

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2023 13:27

SoCunningYouCanStickATailOnItAndCallItAFox · 10/04/2023 00:51

That was witches. Traitors were hung drawn and quartered. 😁 But we burn the effigy symbolically for the gunpowder intended to blow up parliament.

Also some traitors.

Anne Boleyn could have been burned alive. The law allowed for it. She was lucky to suffer mere decapitation. And especially lucky that it was carried out with a sword, rather than an axe.

("Lucky" is doing some heavy lifting here, obviously . . . )

OldFan · 10/04/2023 13:38

No - God hates the behaviourof loads of people - not the people themselves.

@Emotionalsupportviper This is a popular way of explaining it and I used to subscribe to it myself. But it's not scriptural.

God hates all manner of people who don't follow his law. We're told this again and again in the Bible.

That's why they'll be thrown into the fire where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth, unless they change their ways.

OldFan · 10/04/2023 13:44

@Sortyourlifeout I am Catholic but I watch a lot of Protestant Youtube discernment channels. They're pretty good at showing what the Bible actually says. It's called Christianity, not nice-tianity. Jesus wasn't all sweetness and light.

@Emotionalsupportviper We can know a lot about God and what he's like, as it's shown in his Word.

Forgooodnesssakenow · 10/04/2023 14:00

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 09:25

And you explained to your child what he meant by that, right? Because if you'd put a little bit of effort in, then your child would have understood and not needed to think that granny was coming back in the near future.

Your comment of 'the priest was batshit crazy' is fucking disgusting and you need to have a word with yourself. And then talk to your child so that they have a decent level of knowledge that lots of people believe lots of different things.

No this priest genuinely was batshit crazy, I've never seen anything like the service he did, he disappeared a few years later and turns out he's up on charges for child abuse and has absconded to another country, HE is effing disgusting. Conversely the priest who did mybgrans funeral for example a year later in a different parish was an absolute sweetheart, running between a few families in need, beautiful personalised service, kind and pleasant, couldn't fault him.

We explained to our neice that the priest believes after we die we'll meet again, which leads down the route of her suddenly realising she will die. Such a fun conversation...

I DONT believe in God or life after death or any other myth or legend not founded on probable fact so I absolutely wouldn't be explaining to a child that God would be saving anyone or any of that claptrap and nor would I be teaching a child that. Plenty of effort made on our part to make our children aware of realities and answer their questions factually

ShodanLives · 10/04/2023 14:01

OldFan · 10/04/2023 13:38

No - God hates the behaviourof loads of people - not the people themselves.

@Emotionalsupportviper This is a popular way of explaining it and I used to subscribe to it myself. But it's not scriptural.

God hates all manner of people who don't follow his law. We're told this again and again in the Bible.

That's why they'll be thrown into the fire where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth, unless they change their ways.

You seem to really enjoy that idea.

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 14:04

OldFan · 10/04/2023 13:44

@Sortyourlifeout I am Catholic but I watch a lot of Protestant Youtube discernment channels. They're pretty good at showing what the Bible actually says. It's called Christianity, not nice-tianity. Jesus wasn't all sweetness and light.

@Emotionalsupportviper We can know a lot about God and what he's like, as it's shown in his Word.

I'll be praying for you.

OldFan · 10/04/2023 14:06

We explained to our neice that the priest believes after we die we'll meet again, which leads down the route of her suddenly realising she will die. Such a fun conversation

@Forgooodnesssakenow Sooner or later they will have that realization so there you go- you would've had to deal with it at some point anyway. It could easily have been prompted by something else like a child losing a loved one etc.

OldFan · 10/04/2023 14:06

@Sortyourlifeout Thanks. I'll pray for you too. Smile

Sortyourlifeout · 10/04/2023 14:08

OldFan · 10/04/2023 13:38

No - God hates the behaviourof loads of people - not the people themselves.

@Emotionalsupportviper This is a popular way of explaining it and I used to subscribe to it myself. But it's not scriptural.

God hates all manner of people who don't follow his law. We're told this again and again in the Bible.

That's why they'll be thrown into the fire where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth, unless they change their ways.

This made me laugh so much.

I don't know ESV, but they CLEARLY have a munch better understanding of the Bible than you, so I look forward to their reply.

Jesus taught love. If we want to know how to behave, we look to try and be more like Him.

We are saved by salvation and through salvation alone. Not by condemning others and teaching things that simply aren't true.

ReadersD1gest · 10/04/2023 14:09

Forgooodnesssakenow · 10/04/2023 14:00

No this priest genuinely was batshit crazy, I've never seen anything like the service he did, he disappeared a few years later and turns out he's up on charges for child abuse and has absconded to another country, HE is effing disgusting. Conversely the priest who did mybgrans funeral for example a year later in a different parish was an absolute sweetheart, running between a few families in need, beautiful personalised service, kind and pleasant, couldn't fault him.

We explained to our neice that the priest believes after we die we'll meet again, which leads down the route of her suddenly realising she will die. Such a fun conversation...

I DONT believe in God or life after death or any other myth or legend not founded on probable fact so I absolutely wouldn't be explaining to a child that God would be saving anyone or any of that claptrap and nor would I be teaching a child that. Plenty of effort made on our part to make our children aware of realities and answer their questions factually

Well, you do you.
But stop demanding to know why other people are ok with their Reception children being taught about torture and execution with reference to the story of Jesus, and likening it to them being presented with a life sized statue of someone dying in the electric chair.
It's hysterical nonsense and you can't hope to be taken seriously.

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