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New member super nice and helpful but I find her so irritating!

275 replies

Bleachmycloths · 07/04/2023 09:48

Some details changed/not included to avoid outing.
I am in a hobby club. I love it. Members are lovely and we have an enjoyable relaxed time. Leader is great and makes meetings enjoyable.
New member ticks all the boxes for being nice: chatty, smiley, makes tea, talks to everyone, asks them questions to show an interest in their lives, helps to clear up. I feel a bit guilty because I find her a PITA and I am getting grumpy about it.
To avoid drip feeding:

  • At the discussion part of the meeting she tries to draw everyone in by posing a question then asks each person what they think. Some members are shy and I can see they don’t like this.
  • suggests we all go out for the evening to get to know each other and to not to talk about hobby. I joined for the hobby, not to go out for meals.
  • every meeting she announces she can’t remember names and points to each one in turn and gives them their name, often wrong, then she gives them a nickname eg “ Mrs Cake” “Mrs Lovely Red Handbag”
I have other examples but this is already too long. I worry thatI am simply intolerant because I just want to say “Oh, fuck off with your helpfulness and friendliness and leave people alone!” Finally, she is not covering up shyness. She is confident and thinks she’s the bees’ knees. I know this. I am not guessing. AIBU for being intolerant and grumpy? Should I accept her as well meaning and that other people and their behaviour are part of life?
OP posts:
VyeBrator · 07/04/2023 11:54

FlowersAndBonnets · 07/04/2023 11:50

Of course you disagree. Probably because you’re one of them.

I would say the same if a man behaved like this. He wouldn’t be being confident, he’d be an attention seeking arsehole.

I'm sorry you've lost me now.

One of what?

DiddyHeck · 07/04/2023 11:55

WitchQueenofDarkness · 07/04/2023 11:50

That's not how quiet ones usually work though - they just quietly drift away. I've left groups in the past when they've been "taken over" by the confident dominant types. They take all the pleasure out of the activity for me and as they have as much right to be them as I have to be me, I will usually just remove myself from the situation.

Clearly you are one of the loud ones.

Clearly you are one of the loud ones.

Because I've disagreed with you?

Ionlydrinkondaysendinginy · 07/04/2023 11:59

Although I agree with you that she sounds irritating. I really don't think there is anything you can do about it as she's done nothing wrong its just you have different personality types

WitchQueenofDarkness · 07/04/2023 12:02

DiddyHeck · 07/04/2023 11:55

Clearly you are one of the loud ones.

Because I've disagreed with you?

No - it's because you have clearly no idea how quiet people behave.

AllInADay · 07/04/2023 12:03

Our choir chairwoman is late 40's/early 50's, which makes her relatively young in our choir. Whenever she addresses us all she pushes the I'm young and have a go-getting job. I'm really sharp and witty and you should be pleased you've got me here. I'm going to speak to you all as if you are dribbling and have dementia and will tut in frustration when I hear some noises off, presuming everyone's attention has wandered and we need bringing back, because we can't possibly keep up.

NotQuiteHere · 07/04/2023 12:03

I do not know the situation in full but I do know that one person can completely destroy a pleasant atmosphere, ruin precious moments and break up a close circle of friends. They can appear friendly and helpful being in fact inconsiderate and manipulative people seeking dominance and power over others.

billy1966 · 07/04/2023 12:05

OP

Your post has made me smile.

The cake lady alternative names would give me the 🙄 and I would label her a bit of a twat to be honest.

I have met the Spanish Inquisition type, very much as @PrettyMaybug describes.

One woman years ago could clear a table in 5 minutes such was her rapid fire questions that were intrusive.

People found it very off putting, particularly new members.

A new member was introduced to her and after a minute said "oh you're 20 questions!" and she looked confused and asked what she meant.

The new member said her friend X had told her about "20 questions" who quizzes everyone when she meets them, AKA a nosey PITA.

One red face and a several others trying not to laugh.

None of us felt the least bit sorry for her.

Kennykenkencat · 07/04/2023 12:09

When she says you all should do X instead of Y has anyone suggested to her that this might not be the group for her if she doesn’t like how the group operates

PrettyMaybug · 07/04/2023 12:10

IWineAndDontDine · 07/04/2023 11:22

Not surprised, your friend sounds horrible. Not "brave" or hilarious as op suggests. Just nasty

I agree. I don't think the woman in @zingally 's post, was hilarious or brave for being really nasty to a woman that kept asking peoples names. She may have had an early onset of dementia. How nasty to shout at her, and ask if there's something wrong with her. (That's if this actually even happened.)

Inkanta · 07/04/2023 12:10

NotQuiteHere · 07/04/2023 12:03

I do not know the situation in full but I do know that one person can completely destroy a pleasant atmosphere, ruin precious moments and break up a close circle of friends. They can appear friendly and helpful being in fact inconsiderate and manipulative people seeking dominance and power over others.

Yes I agree. I think you've picked up some red flags OP and although there isn't much you can do about it you're not imagining it. She draws attention to herself rather than on the hobby at hand. Steals the joy a bit.

Divisionoflabour89 · 07/04/2023 12:11

AllInADay · 07/04/2023 12:03

Our choir chairwoman is late 40's/early 50's, which makes her relatively young in our choir. Whenever she addresses us all she pushes the I'm young and have a go-getting job. I'm really sharp and witty and you should be pleased you've got me here. I'm going to speak to you all as if you are dribbling and have dementia and will tut in frustration when I hear some noises off, presuming everyone's attention has wandered and we need bringing back, because we can't possibly keep up.

Heavens that sounds tedious, rude and tone deaf (funnily enough for a choir).

It boils down to a basic lack of manners and hideous ageism.

I can’t stand it and get so embarrassed when someone I know speaks to my elderly aunt in a slow sing-song manner. She was head of a civil service department in her day and is as sharp as they come!

Allwelcome · 07/04/2023 12:12

NotQuiteHere · 07/04/2023 12:03

I do not know the situation in full but I do know that one person can completely destroy a pleasant atmosphere, ruin precious moments and break up a close circle of friends. They can appear friendly and helpful being in fact inconsiderate and manipulative people seeking dominance and power over others.

Agree it can he painful but stuff changes...
The flip side of a lovely comfy situation is sentry guarding and beong closed minded to new experiences and different points of view.

PrettyMaybug · 07/04/2023 12:12

@billy1966

I have met the Spanish Inquisition type, very much prettymaybug describes

One woman years ago could clear a table in 5 minutes such was her rapid fire questions that were intrusive.

People found it very off putting, particularly new members.

Awful aren't they? As you say, it puts new members off, particularly if they're a bit shy.

Forgottenmypasswordagain · 07/04/2023 12:13

They can grow on you though.

Redebs · 07/04/2023 12:13

Yes, lots of people get put off groups by this type of person, which is a shame because this is the kind of social environment they could be great in. A noisy talker will be fine in a pub or sports team, but a more reserved, thoughtful person might need a more respectful, calmer place where they aren't put on the spot or bombarded with questions.

The new member sounds like a teacher in the way she talks to people. It's like a supply teacher coming in for the day and not bothering with names because she'll be at a different school tomorrow. Condescending. She has a preset idea on what you should be talking about and feels it's her job to get it out of you. That's unacceptable. You're adults.

Have you tried talking to her first and not giving her the chance to organise you? Ask her a few questions about her ideas and thoughts on a topic and see if she knows how to converse normally.

Ultimately, if she's upsetting everyone and people are thinking of leaving, then she will have to be discouraged. For the sake of the group.

Allwelcome · 07/04/2023 12:14

Sorry @NotQuiteHere on reflection, yes youre right there are people whose egos can't let a group "be" but that's humans for you.

JudgeRudy · 07/04/2023 12:15

You like what you like I guess. The name thing would irritate, I'd just correct her every time with increasing sterness.
You seem to be making assumptions too. Some of the shy members might feel uncomfortable for a moment when encouraged to participate but have any of them actually complained or indicated that it's a problem in the big scheme of things?
You also didn't like her trying to arrange a social event. You might have no wish to meat up for a meal but others might. Even if they don't, it's a reasonable question.
Then you say she thinks she's the bees knees. What does that even mean?
From what you've said she sounds pretty normal.

FinallyHere · 07/04/2023 12:17

every meeting she announces she can’t remember names and points to each one in turn and gives them their name, often wrong, then she gives them a nickname eg “ Mrs Cake” “Mrs Lovely Red Handbag”

Well, I've never met her and am all for friendliness but this would really hack me off.

As for making shyer members speak up, someone should jump in and make some kind of remark that it is not necessary for everyone to answer. At work, I would definitely make that clear. Have never seen it happen at leisur.

Changeau · 07/04/2023 12:19

She'll probably end up being a really good friend. Quite often it's the people who I am not sure about who I end up getting on really well with after a while.

Bleachmycloths · 07/04/2023 12:23

MrsDoylesDoily · 07/04/2023 11:18

Having read the whole thread, I really do think that applies to the OP.

'Nose put out of joint by newcomer' is a frequent thread topic on Mumsnet.

Clearly you have not read my updated posts.

OP posts:
Bleachmycloths · 07/04/2023 12:28

DiddyHeck · 07/04/2023 10:39

You seem to be 'worrying' about other adults and how she might be affecting them. They're fully grown people who seem to have managed this far in life.

It sounds as though you're trying to transfer your feelings here, rather than dealing with them yourself.

Ask yourself if deep deep down, you're a little bit envious of her.

Yes. Really, really deep down I would love to be a pain in the arse like her. 🤣

OP posts:
Gymnopedie · 07/04/2023 12:29

Wanting to do new activities and having ideas for how to do things differently is fine, it can breathe new life into a group that may perhaps have got a bit stale. But I think if you join an established group it's a good idea to keep your head down at first until you've worked out the dynamic of the group, you've got to know the people there and they've got to know you. Not to sweep in and put all these ideas about from the off.

And I'd start addressing her as Miss/MS/Mrs doesn't remember names.

Bleachmycloths · 07/04/2023 12:30

DiddyHeck · 07/04/2023 10:58

Why are you still talking on behalf of the members?

This is a problem you need to face. This confident woman has got under your skin.

Why not take your mind off of the other grown adults and ask yourself why you are so put out about this?

Nickname thing aside though because that is irritating but it could probably be halted by using your words.

I’m not “still talking about members”. I was responding to the school gate comment.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 07/04/2023 12:32

PrettyMaybug · 07/04/2023 12:12

@billy1966

I have met the Spanish Inquisition type, very much prettymaybug describes

One woman years ago could clear a table in 5 minutes such was her rapid fire questions that were intrusive.

People found it very off putting, particularly new members.

Awful aren't they? As you say, it puts new members off, particularly if they're a bit shy.

Even old members, she would join a table and people would just move off asap.

Your paragraph of questions right down to sibling relationships was her to a tee.
Awful woman.

suburbophobe · 07/04/2023 12:33
  • every meeting she announces she can’t remember names and points to each one in turn and gives them their name, often wrong, then she gives them a nickname eg “ Mrs Cake” “Mrs Lovely Red Handbag”

Insulting. (Though lighthearted). It's all about ME ME ME.....

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