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Replitad · 2023-04-04T22:12:17+00:00

I wouldn't have called myself a republican before now but I think the 'Queen' Camilla thing has tipped me over the edge. Pretty audacious considering their history and I think a lot of the public won't agree. I certainly won't be celebrating or even watching coronation.

LBFseBrom · 08/04/2023 08:51

I can't see how it will affect us one way or the other.

My feelings (when I bother to have them), about the royals are mixed. Queen Elizabeth ll was queen virtually all of my life and was always out and about, mixing with people here and abroad, receiving them etc. She was in the newspaper every day and on TV.

I realise it is early days but what has Charles actually done since becoming king? I know he and his queen went to Germany recently which seemed to go down well but they are not a constant presence like his mother - and as I understand were his maternal grandparents before that. Camilla went off to a health spa in India for a week or so shortly after the Queen died, she will occasionally appear at a charity function but other than that, what does she do? Not very much. Of course they are both in their seventies but still I expected more from them. The Queen and Duke went on working into their nineties.

The coronation will be a bit of pageantry which many will enjoy but I can't say I am exactly inspired by the current reign. I would like to be proved wrong, I have no personal agenda and wish them no harm.

DiddlySquat52 · 08/04/2023 08:54

He doesn't have the decorum of his mother.

MaggieFS · 08/04/2023 09:08

LBFseBrom · 08/04/2023 08:51

I can't see how it will affect us one way or the other.

My feelings (when I bother to have them), about the royals are mixed. Queen Elizabeth ll was queen virtually all of my life and was always out and about, mixing with people here and abroad, receiving them etc. She was in the newspaper every day and on TV.

I realise it is early days but what has Charles actually done since becoming king? I know he and his queen went to Germany recently which seemed to go down well but they are not a constant presence like his mother - and as I understand were his maternal grandparents before that. Camilla went off to a health spa in India for a week or so shortly after the Queen died, she will occasionally appear at a charity function but other than that, what does she do? Not very much. Of course they are both in their seventies but still I expected more from them. The Queen and Duke went on working into their nineties.

The coronation will be a bit of pageantry which many will enjoy but I can't say I am exactly inspired by the current reign. I would like to be proved wrong, I have no personal agenda and wish them no harm.

As before, I'm ambivalent towards the Royal Family, so not about to post from any angle...

But I do follow the news and I do think this is unfair. They've both been out and about and visits are frequently in the news.short of counting the stats on numbers of visits I know it's had to prove, but I don't feel the need to have a go at them.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 08/04/2023 09:08

AskMeMore · 08/04/2023 01:47

Yes they had a civil ceremony. Which rather suggests senior figures in the C of E do have an issue with their marriage.

Or it suggests it’s the entirely appropriate thing to do. a member of the RF bending the rules in any way shape or form is never a good look.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 08/04/2023 09:09

LBFseBrom · 08/04/2023 08:51

I can't see how it will affect us one way or the other.

My feelings (when I bother to have them), about the royals are mixed. Queen Elizabeth ll was queen virtually all of my life and was always out and about, mixing with people here and abroad, receiving them etc. She was in the newspaper every day and on TV.

I realise it is early days but what has Charles actually done since becoming king? I know he and his queen went to Germany recently which seemed to go down well but they are not a constant presence like his mother - and as I understand were his maternal grandparents before that. Camilla went off to a health spa in India for a week or so shortly after the Queen died, she will occasionally appear at a charity function but other than that, what does she do? Not very much. Of course they are both in their seventies but still I expected more from them. The Queen and Duke went on working into their nineties.

The coronation will be a bit of pageantry which many will enjoy but I can't say I am exactly inspired by the current reign. I would like to be proved wrong, I have no personal agenda and wish them no harm.

They make plenty of public appearances. They were in York last week.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/04/2023 10:35

The C of E do not have a choice whatever the personal thoughts of senior officials. If they refused to accept Charles and Camilla being crowned it would be a constitutional crisis

Exactly this - and in its weakened state with so few members and endless scandals the church is in no position to risk its establishment position

They might have made noises about C&C only having a blessing, but a wedding's one thing and a coronation quite another

Rosula · 08/04/2023 16:56

AskMeMore · 08/04/2023 00:34

The C of E do not have a choice whatever the personal thoughts of senior officials. If they refused to accept Charles and Camilla being crowned it would be a constitutional crisis.

And maybe they accept it because they take a tolerant, loving and indeed christian view that people shouldn't be shunned because they decided their marriage wasn't working.

Rosula · 08/04/2023 17:02

MaggieFS · 08/04/2023 09:08

As before, I'm ambivalent towards the Royal Family, so not about to post from any angle...

But I do follow the news and I do think this is unfair. They've both been out and about and visits are frequently in the news.short of counting the stats on numbers of visits I know it's had to prove, but I don't feel the need to have a go at them.

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Well, exactly. As well as learning the ropes on what is on any interpretation a huge job which came relatively easily to the queen after several decades in post, being involved in a major constitutional crisis just after taking over, planning the coronation, etc etc.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 08/04/2023 19:39

Hbh17 · 06/04/2023 20:14

For the umpteenth time, if Mr Jones marries Miss Smith she is legally entitled to be Mrs Jones.
The wife of the King is the Queen.
Previous Queen Consorts have been Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mary, Queen Alexandra etc.
So Queen Camilla is totally correct.
The late Queen intended her status to be Queen Consort - as opposed to Queen Regnant (of which there have only been six - Mary I, Elizabeth I, Mary II, Anne, Victoria, Elizabeth II).
The palace have been using Queen Consort since September to avoid confusion with the late Queen, but it is not actually a proper title, more of a job description.
She has been Queen Camilla since Septmber 2022, just as she became Princess of Wales upon her marriage, but just chose to use a subsidiary title in that case.

Whether you like Queen Camilla or not is irrelevant - this is just how it works. Although I have no idea why we should criticise a woman in her 70s who has ended up with a job she never wanted, and has suffered ridiculous levels of abuse. The King and Queen had unfortunate and unhappy first marriages that is all - so, in that way, they are very like large numbers of their subjects.

Absolutely this, honestly I despair reading some of these posts, the lack of understanding on this thread despite repeated explanations is doing my head in.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 08/04/2023 19:51

Opinionsinteresting2me · 07/04/2023 12:32

Plus Diana did not have affairs until she realised she was in a lonely and useless situation with no chance of a happy marriage with Charles. Again Charles hoodwinked everyone and got the media to make out Diana was paranoid and a man chaser while also getting the press to whitewash Camilla.

Diana happily shagged married men and knowingly destroyed marriages, remember Julia Carling’s devastation? If Diana was so utterly desirable as many are claiming on here surely she could have had her pick of the worlds most eligible SINGLE men, but no she happily went for the married ones, Diana was a selfish woman who only thought of her wants and needs, sod the wives.

Inkanta · 09/04/2023 04:50

You deserve to be loved by the person who says they want to marry you. If you go into church and say yes but not really then that's not right Its not right in the eyes of the church either. Diana was constantly humiliated because Charles loved someone else. Her reaction to that humiliation shouldn't be used against her and her suffering during that period shouldn't be denied either.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/04/2023 06:16

When it comes to their marriage imo Charles and Diana we’re both badly served by their families.

The Queen mother and Lady Fermoy were the driving forces behind the match.

Whilst Charles may have been older he likely expected that a woman from a family with strong links to the RF would know and understand how things worked with them.

and for Diana given how much get family did know she should have been far better prepared for it.

She came from a world where people married for position and title and combined forces, but didn’t realise that was the kind of marriage she was entering herself.

Her family let her down. And his family let him down.

Possiblynotever · 09/04/2023 07:55

@YetMoreNewBeginnings high time for a change in the entitled aristocracy- they need to get more in touch with the normal world.
I can't think how much bullying Kate.must have received

Rosula · 09/04/2023 08:55

Inkanta · 09/04/2023 04:50

You deserve to be loved by the person who says they want to marry you. If you go into church and say yes but not really then that's not right Its not right in the eyes of the church either. Diana was constantly humiliated because Charles loved someone else. Her reaction to that humiliation shouldn't be used against her and her suffering during that period shouldn't be denied either.

So it was OK in your book for her to inflict the same humiliation on other married women?

Opinionsinteresting2me · 09/04/2023 12:55

The question on here is whether we are happy to call Camilla Queen and I for one am not. Why marry PB when she could have married Charles at the time? Why wreck someone else's marriage once they had married Charles. Why did Charles and Camilla lie when they married after Diana was killed (could they have married if Diana was still alive?) and say Camilla would not be known as Queen? C&C have schemed and lied all through for their own purposes.

Mooshamoo · 09/04/2023 13:01

I miss the old queen. Duty. No scandal at all in all of her life.

Now we are landed with Charles.
Adulterer.
He said wants to be a tampon inside Camilla.
He has dodgy friends. Wasn't he good friends with Jimmy saville.

It's a step down from the last monarch for sure.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/04/2023 13:36

He said wants to be a tampon inside Camilla.

No he didn’t

That chat between them was cringy enough without people deliberately twisting what the man said.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 09/04/2023 13:36

Why did Charles and Camilla lie when they married after Diana was killed (could they have married if Diana was still alive?) and say Camilla would not be known as Queen?

They didn't lie.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 09/04/2023 13:41

Inkanta · 09/04/2023 04:50

You deserve to be loved by the person who says they want to marry you. If you go into church and say yes but not really then that's not right Its not right in the eyes of the church either. Diana was constantly humiliated because Charles loved someone else. Her reaction to that humiliation shouldn't be used against her and her suffering during that period shouldn't be denied either.

She didn’t love him either and wouldn’t have touched him were he not a Prince. Total marriages have thrived on that mutually benefitting non-romantic dynamic before but certainly can’t in the modern world

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 09/04/2023 13:43

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/04/2023 06:16

When it comes to their marriage imo Charles and Diana we’re both badly served by their families.

The Queen mother and Lady Fermoy were the driving forces behind the match.

Whilst Charles may have been older he likely expected that a woman from a family with strong links to the RF would know and understand how things worked with them.

and for Diana given how much get family did know she should have been far better prepared for it.

She came from a world where people married for position and title and combined forces, but didn’t realise that was the kind of marriage she was entering herself.

Her family let her down. And his family let him down.

This is a good summary of how aristocratic marriages work. People are so narrow minded to think their viewpoint is a universal one

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 09/04/2023 13:45

Opinionsinteresting2me · 09/04/2023 12:55

The question on here is whether we are happy to call Camilla Queen and I for one am not. Why marry PB when she could have married Charles at the time? Why wreck someone else's marriage once they had married Charles. Why did Charles and Camilla lie when they married after Diana was killed (could they have married if Diana was still alive?) and say Camilla would not be known as Queen? C&C have schemed and lied all through for their own purposes.

They didn’t lie. Plans change. Fully reasonable 17 years on from a plan for it to change

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 09/04/2023 13:46

Mooshamoo · 09/04/2023 13:01

I miss the old queen. Duty. No scandal at all in all of her life.

Now we are landed with Charles.
Adulterer.
He said wants to be a tampon inside Camilla.
He has dodgy friends. Wasn't he good friends with Jimmy saville.

It's a step down from the last monarch for sure.

The tampon conversation should never have been exposed. That’s a private conversation with in-jokes which even a Prince is entitled to have.

No I don’t think he was good friends with Jimmy Saville. Then again you think it’s fine to take the word of a nonce on marriage so I think you’re being a bit hypocritical yourself

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 09/04/2023 13:47

Anyhow, I thought they all looked lovely going to their Easter service. They wore blue though - hope it hasn’t triggered anyone today!

Toddlerteaplease · 09/04/2023 14:18

GrandTheftWalrus · 04/04/2023 23:24

Was the queen mother not known as Queen Elizabeth when her husband was king?

As was Queen Mary. I think we've used consort as Elizabeth has for almost all of us been 'the' Queen.

NerrSnerr · 09/04/2023 14:19

@massivenamechnage do you really think she can't wear a blue dress because someone else wore a blue dress over 40 years ago?