AIBU to be horrified that this man equal women's rights even though he says "he's comfortable with his genetils" Would you be happy to share a dressing room with him?

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https://4w.pub/fetish-footballer-policy/

I don't think they're banning drag, some states are classifying it as adult entertainment so you can't do drag shows in public places where kids may see. It's still fine in adult venues, as it should be. It's not my cuppa tea but neither is opera. I think that's fair enough.
I do think that the objectors are the ones who take pride in pushing boundaries, but Widow Twanky why not Mx Twerky? But most people are OK with having a boundary a mile wide between sexual displays and children. I'm sure most decent providers are like, ok I didn't think my show is that sexual but if parents think it is I'm not going to roll over them, I'll decide what audience to pitch my persona/brand and concentrate on that. Most people are pretty sensible.

Flounder strikes me as someone with empathy who's tying themselves up in knots to be kind and do the right thing, rather than a hardline TRA who couldn't give a fuck about anyone other than themselves - and indeed would get off at the thought of doing women down.

I think if someone has their identity tied up in being kind/empathetic/virtuous/lefty etc, this is quite a hard topic to grapple with - you have to cope with the cognitive dissonance of feeling at odds with your own tribe when you wake up and smell the coffee. It's easy to go along with the prevailing narrative and feel all pleased with yourself for being 'progressive' as long as you don't engage too closely with the nuts and bolts of it all (pardon the pun!).

It's really not comfortable to engage in a meaningful way with the issues raised on this thread if you're thinking all it's about is lovely, gentle trans women being unfairly kept out of the women's spaces they feel they belong in by mean, shouty, unfair older women. Being brought face to face with the real life risks and disadvantages being suffered by women and girls as a result of this issue is tough to swallow. It requires courage to face these issues square on and consider them thoughtfully and honestly if you're coming from a 'progressive' tribal mindset. I know, I'm a left-leaning softy!

I have hope that Flounder will engage thoughtfully and courageously, and not bat away anything uncomfortable knee-jerk style.

The virtue signaller said there was no science to prove that periods made you a woman

This, on the other hand, is nothing but arrant bullshit! I have no time for fools like this, trying to make mugs of us all. Though I suspect some of them are trolls, they're taking it beyond what even Chris Morris would try and get away with.

Well said. Isla Bryson in his pink leggings another posterboy with Barbie Kardashian & Giulia..

Not my cuppa tea either but they're doing no harm. It is however adult entertainment so I understand the logic behind it.

My concern with the be kind empathy route, which I fully understand, I dont want anyone to be hurt, is that TRA dint play by those rules.

They threaten and are aggressive.

Yup your right, flounder does sound quite alright but on the otherhand is staunchly pro trans in women's spaces... It's called brainwashing & it's what the trans ideology is all about. Flounder knows deep down they are men, 90% of trans women refuse to part with their penises.. To quote our boy Giulia "I am comfortable with my gentiles"... Who gives a flying fuck that the vast majority of women are not comfortable but we have no voice.

They've been bitching about the Prosecco Stormfront TERFs on mumsnet all week. Even Panti Piss gave us a shout out😁

Women and girls are certainly viewed as second class citizens, who can just budge over, and this view is certainly still deeply engrained. I’ve felt for ages that our voices haven’t been heard, but lately I feel more optimistic. It seems like we’ve turned a corner and more and more are speaking out and not letting themselves be cowed or bullied into staying silent. So I’m optimistic.

Maybe I’ve just had too much Prosecco 😜 🍾

@ATerrorofLeftovers I had a couple of glasses of prosecco Friday night after Rodericks comical tweet which single handedly segregated the lgb & t community even more.🥂Also the only good thing is the lgb & straight community in Ireland have become so united. The Gender Recognition Act has gone too far.
I repeat if you are in the UK do not let this act pass on your shores. Your daughter's & grandaughters deserve so much more.

It’ll pass over my cold dead body. No fucking way. It’s bad enough women are de facto second class citizens, I’ll be fucked if I let them actually enshrine it in law. Not on my watch.

All of my female friends feel the same, and most of my male ones.

I feel sorry for you in Ireland. It’s like just as you throw off the shackles of the church and its misogyny, a lot of other blokes swan in and try and hold you down instead.

@ATerrorofLeftovers I think the images of Barbie Kardashian & GAA Giulia really woke up the Irish. The shock factor was key, the images speak a thousand words & none positive. They are the images & articles that need to be circulated. Do not let the Gender Recognition Act near UK soil. Look what's happening in Ireland. We will feel the consequences of it very heavily.
However the only glimmer of hope is there that it's not in the constitution so could be reversed or abolished..

How are their feelings relevant to sport though?

If they feel they have a gender identity, that's great, good for them.

But when you, as a male, feel that your gender identity entitles you to compete as a woman in sport, you're saying (a) that you believe you share the same gender identity as women, and (b) that this is somehow relevant to sports.

Neither of those things is true.

Men owning womens space,jobs (modelling for tampons),sport etc and it was supported by feminists.

In America the other week there was ceremony for the woman of the year award-yup it went to a man lol.

The same threat that any man does. Statistically maybe worse than men. Although men who are simply men are kept away from my single sex spaces for a very good reason - the vulnerability of women who are half dressed and sometimes isolated. Women dont have the same protections from this special type of person anymore and thats wrong.

So flounder, of toy don’t believe in segregation… do you thinK anyone should be able to go anywhere at any time they choose? Of course we have segregation you silly sausage. Do you also complain about “staff only” spaces as that’s segregating staff and non staff isn’t it?

adults not being allowed into schools…. Segregation ooops you better complain about that
keeping male
you do realise that if you allow males with a trans identity into female spaces, you’d have to allow all males in, otherwise that’s segregation isn’t it? And as males with a trans identity claim to be unsafe in male spaces, how would they be any safer in mixed sex spaces?

as to your comment about 4 spaces needed, why? We would need male, female and one for those who prefer mixed sex spaces. Transmen who prefer a single sex space would of course be welcome in the female facilities…. What with bring female and all

PS transwomen are not women. No woman has or has ever had a oenis

HTH.

@Flounder2022

this place is an echo chamber like none other I have ever seen.

Sorry, but you've given me the biggest smile! Presumably, you've never been on Twitter, or Reddit? Where dissenting people are simply blocked, or banned.

And by adding your dissenting views here, you prove that it's the very opposite of an echo chamber.

To add to this, Twitter has been a notorious TRA echo chamber for several years until Elon Musk unbanned the dissenting voices (funny, as you say, that MN doesn’t do this), but it’s still remained larger popular with TRAs.

But as posted up thread, the replies to Roderic O'Gorman‘a tweet have been astounding. People are really angry and fed up with this - it’s not an echo chamber thought. It’s one held by the majority who’s actually thought about the issue for a few minutes.

Good points!

The comments to Roderics tweet have been really heartwarming. Not one message of support from the TRAs even.. UK mumsnetters who are GC take note & share that tweet with other parents. Tell them to read the comments if they want to know the anger, desperation & fear that Gender Recognition has brought to Ireland. Don't let it happen in the UK.

'StarmanBobby · Yesterday 20:45

That’s a bullshit article you’re quoting. ‘Reportedly’ is the most important word.
as in - it’s not happening.
I assume you're opposed to men in women's sport then?
If so, I agree with you - specially a rough enough contact sport like this.'

The BS bit is the #trans fetishist etc. 'reportedly advising' nonsense plus the OP spamming everyone with share this outrageous report etc....

Do I think transwomen should play competitively in women's sports? No, actually.

Do I think the op is scaremongering with this whole 'trans fetish' advising Irish sports bodies - yes.

@StarmanBobby it has already happened. It is not scaremongering whatsoever. UK mumsnetters need to know the consequences of Gender Recognition.
Ireland is a tiny country & so far we have had Barbie Kardashian & "GAA Genetils Giulia"

@StarmanBobby &@Flounder2022 some basic biology education for you both😁

TBH if someone is conflicted over "be kind" Vs safeguarding then they need to reassess their priorities.

The feelings of adult males with a fetish should never be a consideration when we are discussing safeguarding.

Really?

You must have missed the resignation of the Mermaids trustee who spoke at a conference organised by a paedophile support group. Mermaids is the trans charity set up to support gender confused children and their families. You might have expected them to have better screening processes given the nature of their work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63137873