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Would you date a man who cross dressed?

576 replies

Supernova23 · 03/04/2023 09:06

Compatible in most ways but they admitted from the beginning they cross dressed. Would you?

OP posts:
Lessoftheold · 03/04/2023 11:09

ISpyCobraKai · 03/04/2023 09:09

Only if it was Harry Styles

Back in the day I would have said only if it was Eddie Izzard. Look at the way that's gone.

LolaSmiles · 03/04/2023 11:09

Cross dressing as a paraphilia, absolutely not. It's too much of a fetishized and misogynistic view of women. Cross dressers rarely seem content with "dressing as a woman" when "dressing as a woman" is a pair of jeans, jumper and trainers or any other everyday common womenswear outfit.

A bit of gender non-conformity, liking eyeliner, long hair, possibly preferring a women's cut jacket, wouldn't bother me.

TheKeatingFive · 03/04/2023 11:09

Agree with DowningStreetparty that men can dress flamboyantly and wear make up without it being "cross dressing". New age romantic/ glam rock men in the 70s and 80s dressed up and wore make up but they never said they were dressing "as women" and looking like a woman was never the aim.

Agreed. And I'm fine with gender non confirming / flamboyant dressing. An actual cross dresser, I'd suspect was an AGP, which would be a hard no.

TunnocksOrDeath · 03/04/2023 11:09

What you're really asking is whether you should refuse to date him. Only you can answer that. Obviously something about it bothers you, or you wouldn't have asked, but you're not 100% bothered, or you wouldn't have continued seeing him. Once you've worked out what it is, have a proper chat with him.

PetitPorpoise · 03/04/2023 11:11

Last night, my husband and I were both wearing a hoody and joggers, and it didn't bother me.

I would find it deeply unattractive if he started wearing dresses and tights.

Seeingadistance · 03/04/2023 11:11

No.

Choconut · 03/04/2023 11:12

Oh I have have no interest in non gender conforming men either, I think most of the time even Harry Styles can't pull it off and just looks like he's an attention seeking arse. Who wants to see a hairy chest over the top of a dress.

A sarong is not female clothing though, they're worn by women and men. a long kaftan is another option. Men can look great in both, no need to wear a pencil skirt or a dress that obviously isn't designed to fit to keep cool in the summer. I don't think they're really looking to keep cool or be comfortable though, it's just attention seeking all the way.

MaidOfSteel · 03/04/2023 11:14

NO.

SilverCatStripes · 03/04/2023 11:15

No.

Look up AGP. It isn’t a harmless bit of fun, or a bit of quirk, it’s a dangerous paraphillia.

Globe22 · 03/04/2023 11:15

No.

Fififafa · 03/04/2023 11:16

No

2bazookas · 03/04/2023 11:16

If it was Grayson Perry, I might be able to overlook him liking and wearing dresses far more than I do. He's such an interesting man.

SaturdayGiraffe · 03/04/2023 11:17

No.
I don’t see how it could be an equal relationship when one partner is in love with themselves.

Wanderingowl · 03/04/2023 11:18

Gender non-conforming guys are fine. I used to be quite attracted to men in eye-liner and nail varnish when I was younger. Especially if they had longish hair.

But if it's a kink, as in transvestitism, then absolutely not. That's a paraphilia and paraphilia's are usually co-morbid. In that if you have one kink, you usually have another and the other would probably be worse. As it is, transvestism very, very often has the idea that it's humiliating to be a woman at it's core. Which is such deep, deep misogyny any woman should run a mile. It's also a sign of what's called 'target location error' in sexual attraction. So the man's attraction is to himself as a woman not the woman he's with. It means you are just a tool to help him get off with himself, not someone he actually has a real attraction to. And who the hell wants to be used like that.

Werehalfwaythere · 03/04/2023 11:18

I couldn't, no.

TheGreatATuin · 03/04/2023 11:19

If you had asked me a few years ago, I'd have said yes straight off. I've been involved in kink and fetish for some time, and am not fazed by the wide and weird world of human sexuality, as long as it covers the standard points of safe, sane and consensual. Humans are complex and that makes our relationship to sex and gender complex too.
However, my feelings have changed. Now, I'd not date a cross-dresser for the same reason that I'd not date a religious conservative who believed in old-fashioned gender roles.
It's become increasingly clear that cross-dressing is frequently and strongly linked to very regressive and sexist beliefs about women, so now I would give it a hard no. I'd see it as a big red flag and give any man who did a wide berth.

Werehalfwaythere · 03/04/2023 11:20

Wanderingowl · 03/04/2023 11:18

Gender non-conforming guys are fine. I used to be quite attracted to men in eye-liner and nail varnish when I was younger. Especially if they had longish hair.

But if it's a kink, as in transvestitism, then absolutely not. That's a paraphilia and paraphilia's are usually co-morbid. In that if you have one kink, you usually have another and the other would probably be worse. As it is, transvestism very, very often has the idea that it's humiliating to be a woman at it's core. Which is such deep, deep misogyny any woman should run a mile. It's also a sign of what's called 'target location error' in sexual attraction. So the man's attraction is to himself as a woman not the woman he's with. It means you are just a tool to help him get off with himself, not someone he actually has a real attraction to. And who the hell wants to be used like that.

Source of that information please?

VeronicaTimeTurner · 03/04/2023 11:20

EstherUrsula · 03/04/2023 09:08

No
no
and
hell no

^This + fuck no

CantBeArsedOrAsked · 03/04/2023 11:22

SilverCatStripes · 03/04/2023 11:15

No.

Look up AGP. It isn’t a harmless bit of fun, or a bit of quirk, it’s a dangerous paraphillia.

I looked it up and got Accelerated Growth Program. So non the wiser.

MidlifeWhatNow · 03/04/2023 11:22

LlamaFace19 · 03/04/2023 10:34

Actually dressing like a woman? Absolutely not. I would worry it was part of a deeper fetish I have no desire to explore.
Gender non-conforming? Comfortable in their masculinity but doesn't always conform to stereotypically male dress? Absolutely.

This.

I grew up in the 80s. Men in frilly blouses and eyeliner weren't an issue then and they're not an issue now. In fact, it's often wildly attractive looking at you Mr Styles

None of them ever tried to pretend that the nail varnish made them actual women, though.

threeplusmum · 03/04/2023 11:24

No way... I'm glad my guy is against any crap like that.

cormorant5 · 03/04/2023 11:24

There was a comedy sitcom on R4 about 15 years ago, it was broadcast in the morning.
Scenario: A family, teenage son, husband owned a garage/workshop. Everything had been typical until family life. Then wife discovered some of his female clothes. Bit of a disturbance in happy home!
He first wore those clothes occasionally and in own home. Family life and sex life continued. Son was the last to accept it.
Can't remember how it concluded.

It was different because he was known and loved already.

MiniDinosaur · 03/04/2023 11:24

Depends. Nail polish and makeup, ok, Mrs Doubtfire not ok.

ciderhouserules · 03/04/2023 11:26

Depends - if it's a man putting on a dress/skirt and top, not a problem. No such thing as 'womens' clothes' - In fact, the sooner it becomes normalised for men to put on a dress, the sooner the TransWomen lose the argument that 'they don't feel safe in the Men's toilets' wearing a dress (and so have to use ours Hmm).

BUT - if they are putting on thigh-high boots, skin tight dress and 'Big' hair to parody and intimidate women, whilst using our toilets and changing rooms etc - then HELL NO.

So it depends on the attitude of the guy. Is he a woman-hating twat? Or just a gender-non-conforming guy?

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