School ski trip cancelled due to chaos in Dover - fuck the tories

[TheColourofspring]

My 15 year old son has just spent 17 hours in a coach in dover waiting to go on a much anticipated ski trip. It’s cost us over £1500 over a year and we hoped, given everything our kids lost over covid, it would be a positive experience.

The school just notified us to say that now- due to health and safety, drivers hours etc- the trip needs to be cancelled and the kids are on their way back from dover.

Absolutely FUCK the lying Tory cunts - they ruin everything. They try and blame the French yet all of this lies at their door. Fuck them all for ruining 100 kids trip (and probably thousands more) and ruining everything they touch with their stinking corrupt lies and their lies about brexit.

My son was in tears.

Absolutely.

LakieLady
If we were still in the EU, we'd be able to send asylum seekers back to France under the Dublin agreement, but we lost that right when we left

Yvette Cooper mentioned the Dublin agreement in an interview a few days ago - if that is her 'master plan' it has some flaws in the execution:

In 2018, the UK received a total of 37,453 asylum applications, and made 5,510 outgoing transfer requests under Dublin III. Of these 5,510 requests, 209 migrants were transferred out of the UK under Dublin III, whilst 1,215 came in, making the UK a net recipient in 2018.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-is-the-dublin-iii-regulation-will-it-be-affected-by-brexit/

16 Jan 2023
According to Germany's biggest tabloid newspaper Bild Zeitung, in 2022 Germany tried to send back over 68,000 migrants to other EU countries under rules governed by the Dublin accords. The majority of those attempts failed.
Just 4,158 asylum seekers in Germany were sent back to other EU countries where they had first claimed asylum in 2022...
www.infomigrants.net/en/post/46133/germany-unable-to-send-back-most-migrants-under-dublin-rules

SnootiestFox it really is despicable and extremely disingenuous to dismiss people’s genuine distress, upset and worry, over logistical and economic difficulties brought about by Brexit, and all the attendant damage that it has done to the UK, as “frothing”.

Maybe you are sufficiently rich that they don’t affect you, but it’s no laughing matter for the rest of us.

People probably did feel their issues were ignored. They just grew as a result.

Yep. The answer is 'don't give the people a democratic vote as "we" know what's best' 🤔 #1984

@Clavinova I have been really hoping that you would join this thread. A previous poster promised us links to the similar delays at the Port of Dover that happened every Easter during the UKs membership of the EU, but sadly they then had to rush off before they could deliver them. We would all be much obliged if you could, using your extensive linking skills provide them instead.

Exactly. I give up trying to explain. I'm going back to my prosecco.

I'll say what I want, thanks. Especially if you are going to make patronising comments that suggest that you somehow have the monopoly on caring about people who are disadvantaged in our society. You can expect that people will react angrily to that kind of nonsense.

We all know that many people bought into the right wing narrative about immigration being to blame for all of society's problems, and indeed, many people still buy into that narrative. You're not telling us anything that we don't already know. It's just that some of us think it is immoral to keep pushing and attempting to legitimise that xenophobic narrative when it's blatantly obvious that so many of the problems faced by the poorest in our society are the direct result of Tory policies that put money back into the pockets of the wealthiest.

She wasn't directly abusing you. There's nothing in the Talk Guidelines saying she can't swear.

No no no no no. Just read what I wrote. I give up now. I'll just say that I understand why the Brexit vote went the way it did and there's no point whinging about it now when the most vulnerable in society needed some support almost a decade ago. Hope your son makes it to the slopes, OP.

It's just rotten for them poor kids.
And agree it's 100% as a result of Brexit. It's been a disaster for the UK

Weirdly, despite brexit being 'done' more than 3 years ago (and us having complete control of our borders for decades, but shhhhhhh about that) immigrants are apparently still to blame for everything that's wrong with the country, and people are still falling for that line[lie].

A brief timeline of tory immigration pledges...

Tories in 2009: "immigration is out of control, we'll fix it if we get in power."

Tories in 2014: "immigration is out of control, we'll sort it if we get out of the EU."

Tories in 2018: "immigration is out of control, we'll sort it if we can enact a hard brexit."

Tories in 2023: "immigration is out of control, we'll sort it if you just put us back in power."

You'd like to think after the 2nd, maybe the 3rd time of falling for that lie they'd start to question it, but apparently not.

No. But my good manners and upbringing tell me otherwise. But hey, you all do you!

Early last month folk were frothing over missing tomatoes for one week in Bradford and acted like it was the end of the world. The problem resolved.

This will resolve itself. It's crap for kids to be sat around in a coach, no doubting that but like someone said upthread - bad weather a couple of days previously, overbooking of coaches, French having to check each passport on the coach (I thought they did that prior to Brexit but everyone is saying this is the biggest issue so I happily stand corrected) and it only takes a couple of missing staff to make a melting pot.

These issues may continue for a couple of years at peak times. The government may pump money into Dover if we get a Labour government - let's hope they do.

But...big but...I travelled back in 2014 and got held up in massive queues at Dover. I was in a car and took bloody ages. Back then there was no hint of Brexit but in today's world it would have been on the Guardian front page reporting it was Brexit.

Suppose what I am trying to say is when certain forces all work against each other ie weather, strikes, crap staff, security issues - it don't take much to halt the system.

I thought you were jgw for a sec then. This may be your jump the shark moment, Janiie.

Now that AI has become so advanced, comparing some posters to a chatbot is a compliment rather than an insult.

Hi Clav, the 'flaws' being the 1951 Refugee Convention?

... called Brexit. Brexit Brexit Brexit Brexit

Cameron had a democratic mandate to run that referendum. Can the British public please stand up & take responsibility for this shitshow?

sorry OP, it sucks.

And frankly, you have no fucking idea what I was doing in relation to "the poor and scared" ten years ago. What I do know from my direct experience of working with the most disadvantaged people in our society is that they are far worse off now than they were back then, and that the fact that the right wing sold them a pack of xenophobic lies that made them believethat immigrants were to blame for all of their struggles did not actually make that true.

Well said, @MrsBennetsPoorNerves . I've worked with vulnerable people on low incomes since 2000, and my experience is the same as yours: things have got immeasurably worse for them since 2010, and continue to get worse.

I'm just grateful that I switched from working in homelessness to welfare rights, my former colleagues still in homelessness are utterly burned out.

Lol! Your upbringing was clearly superior to mine.

Personally, I count myself as having been very fortunate in having had parents who didn't really care about superficial stuff like swearing, but were passionate in their views about fairness in our society, fighting racism and xenophobia etc. After a lifetime of activism against poverty and inequality, they knew without a shadow of a doubt that Brexit was not going to be the solution to any of this. They also taught me to think critically and analytically, rather than simply buying into the popular political rhetoric. I will forever be grateful to them.

I'm all for the "fuck the Tories" position but when are Labour going to come out and call Brexit what it is - an unmitigated disaster?

Now that's a fair question. I wish that they would have the courage to come out and say it.

itsgettingweird
Not really a good example. This was an actual delay in response to a terror attack
Looks like a very good example to me. From the article (2016);
Many families, who had planned to travel abroad on the first day of the holiday season, have been forced to sleep in their cars overnight...
A Port of Dover Spokesman said: "... the French border control booths have been seriously understaffed overnight with only three booths available for tourists out of a potential seven..."
"At one stage, only one French officer was available to check passengers on hundreds of coaches, resulting in each coach taking 40 minutes to process..."

They don’t have to say it they could have used the GE for bigger change.

Maybe they don’t think there’s votes in it

We'll yes! You have to understand that in 1951, when we agreed to this dastardly convention, we still had plenty of the empire left, where we could send all those undesirable refugees if needed.

How could we possibly envision that one day all those brown/black people would try to make their way to the Great British Isles!? It's not like we invaded 90% of the world, deliberately destabilised entire regions, or actively funded, trained and armed terror organisations in the country's these 'refuges' aka economic migrants are coming from is it?? It is?? Oh. Well moving swiftly on.

We won't need to worry about this for too much longer. Those splendid old chaps, who pull the governments strings, are working tirelessly to sort this out for us good old Brits, along with other pesky issues such as workers rights and the poor having a comfortable life.