School ski trip cancelled due to chaos in Dover - fuck the tories

[TheColourofspring]

My 15 year old son has just spent 17 hours in a coach in dover waiting to go on a much anticipated ski trip. It’s cost us over £1500 over a year and we hoped, given everything our kids lost over covid, it would be a positive experience.

The school just notified us to say that now- due to health and safety, drivers hours etc- the trip needs to be cancelled and the kids are on their way back from dover.

Absolutely FUCK the lying Tory cunts - they ruin everything. They try and blame the French yet all of this lies at their door. Fuck them all for ruining 100 kids trip (and probably thousands more) and ruining everything they touch with their stinking corrupt lies and their lies about brexit.

My son was in tears.

@Janiie I am not sure if this has been mentioned before but it may not just be about the number of staff, but also the available facitilities. Without appropriate space for alchol and cake parties and whatever other essential work functions those staff have, increasing numbers would not change anything.
Could the problem be that the landowner in Dover hasn't invested in the necessary infrastructure?

Well yes. But then when you have a government that charges home grown talent £9+ per year to be nurses, midwives, radiographers etc what do we expect? It's not rocket science but it just wasn't thought through!

There are always backlogs of 12 hours and more?

They could organise school trips to pick turnips.

Ah! OK. My DD runs ski trips for her school and I get the impression that they buy a ‘package’ from a tour/trip company who handle the majority of the arrangements. Not the remit of the school or teachers to deal with travel arrangements ) Other schools may do things differently)

Yes because the Conservatives have really stuck to their manifesto promises haven't they? 40 new Hospitals, high speed link between Leeds & Manchester, not raising NI, nobody needing to sell their homes to pay for care, lower energy bills and on and on.

Remove "with your common sense" from that statement and you'd be right.
Queues at the port of Dover happen all the time since Brexit, it just doesn't get coverage because it's lorry drivers, who people don't generally seem to care about as much, and not holidaymakers.
Lorries are queued back miles almost every day, many international trampers have quit due to the absolute rigmarole Brexit has produced at the borders. It is usually quite well paid, but not worth the stupid delays at the borders anymore.

But hey, yay Brexit! I would raise a glass to our new found "autonomy" but I doubt many of us can afford it these days.

That link actually makes it very clear that Labour never proposed a straightforward in/out referendum.

Yes, UKIP was making a lot of noise back then, but they never actually had a lot of electoral success. The Tories were running scared because they thought that UKIP would split the right wing vote and that Labour and the Lib dems would benefit. That is why we had a referendum. We didn't need to have one.

And even if there had been a strong demand from the electorate, it wasn't necessary for the question to be stated as a simple in/out binary choice. It is absurd to suggest that this was somehow inevitable, just as it was absurd for the Tories to assert that a 52/48 split was a clear mandate for a hard Brexit.

More fool the school for arranging the trip to go on the busiest day of the holiday break - sweet FA to do with Brexit

OK, so now we have left the EU and have millions more each day for the NHS, as promised on the buses, are my DD's tuition fees for her medical degree going to be waived?

Thought not.

We are poorer as a country as a result of Brexit. There is even less money to invest in our home grown talent than before.

@usererror99 a previous poster was telling us that the same sort of delays happened every Easter when the UK was in the EU? Are you of the same view?

Kids today are too mummycoddled as it is. This will be character building.

They get to experience good old fashioned French rules and regulations teamed with their work to rule attitude. It will set them up for later in life.

Once on the continent their bus will whizz through the rubbish strewn streets and they will see the fires, burning buildings, angry mobs and homeless on the streets (many immigrants who are not taken care of) - think of the conversations they can have in the dorm.

And I have never once disagreed, or in fact agreed with Brexit. I'm simply trying to explain how and why it happened and the Conservative Party had little option than to act on the will of the nation. There's no point frothing now, you all should have been supporting and reassuring the poor and scared 10 years ago.

I fundamentally disagree with your argument that the Tories had little option but to hold a referendum. Yes, they had to implement Brexit after people had voted for it, but they did not have to go for a hard Brexit, and they did not have to hold a vote at all, let alone an overly simplistic one for such a complex issue.

And frankly, you have no fucking idea what I was doing in relation to "the poor and scared" ten years ago. What I do know from my direct experience of working with the most disadvantaged people in our society is that they are far worse off now than they were back then, and that the fact that the right wing sold them a pack of xenophobic lies that made them believe that immigrants were to blame for all of their struggles did not actually make that true.

'are my DD's tuition fees for her medical degree going to be waived?'

Why should you DD's tuition fees be waved when every other student has to pay? You aren't suggesting she is better than others are you?

Let it be some comfort that once she works her way up the ladder she'll be raking it in. I do not know one Consultant who isn't loaded with a posh car. Some reassurance I hope.

Ah but their failure to deliver on all those pledges wasn't their fault. Oh no, Covid, the French, the Germans, the war in Ukraine, Labour, the Lib Dems, tree huggers, the looney left!, immigrants, Jesus, and a small snail on the doorstep of no.10 are all to blame for those broken promises.

I mean how can they possibly keep their promises when all those conspired against them???

Exactly MrsBennetsPoorNerves some of us would love to be able to “move on”. I hate that phrase! It’s so dismissive of the ongoing issues that many families and businesses have to deal with every day of the year as a result of Brexit! I would love to forget about it but Brexit has put a geographical and logistical rift at the very centre of my family.

FFS, I didn't actually say that they should be. Can you read? I was clearly responding to the pp poster.

And they all had cake, pizza and alcohol parties during lockdown, right Janiie?

But that's irrelevant. At the time, they felt Brexit was their only salvation, and I speak as someone who was also working with Foodbanks etc at the time.

It's the lie that won't die. Why so many people persist in believing that the increase in asylum seekers arriving via the English channel has nothing to do with Brexit beats me.

'Kids today are too mummycoddled as it is. This will be character building.'

Exactly. We got a weeks hard labour at a draughty outward bound centre in my day. We could only have dreamt of been stranded on a luxury coach with WiFi for hours.

Oh, and please don't swear at me again. I appreciate that we all have different standards but there's really no need.

OP, please vote if you have elections this May (and at every other election), and encourage your children to do so when they are old enough.

If you are unfortunate enough to have a Tory MP who supported Brexit, perhaps let them know as well.

Yes, they believed it because it suited the right wing media and right wing politicians to make them believe it. Hence the fact that I blame the Tories and others on the right for what happened.