Is Shamima Begum a victim or a criminal?

[ShamimaBegu]

Just listened to the podcasts about Shamima Begum. How can Shamima Begum not be viewed as a victim of grooming and sex trafficking? How on earth would a 15 year old got to Syria without adults making it happen?
She was married off and became pregnant on multiple occasions. She surely is as much a victim as a criminal?

Illegal immigrants may be a "well-known term" but it's widely considered to be othering and many discourage its use. There are plenty of words and phrases which are well-known, but it doesn't make it acceptable to use them.

No we’re not xenophobic. Calling anyone who disagrees with you names and insulting them really doesn’t help your argument.

I'm not calling anyone names? Show me where I did?

And how is saying, "she can go to Bangladesh, we don't want her here" not xenophobic? If you don't want to be insulted, don't be insulting. I honestly find it kind of horrifying.

I am amazed - and pleased - that the government has not allowed her back here. If you choose to go off and join a terrorist organisation, then no you should not be allowed back (to live at taxpayers' expense). Why doesn't she go off to Afghanistan or the like, surely she could find another man to marry her there and continue with her support of fanatic Islamist terrorism.

And people wonder why ethnic minority teens are conflicted about their British identity....

Are they really though?

British non-white is the largest demographic nowadays in quite a few of our cities in the under 20s bracket.

I meet loads of Indian/Pakistani and Jamaican lads working in the construction sector. Certainly a hell of a lot more than when I was doing office work where it's dominated by white brits (possibly due to the need for good written English and because most white collar businesses are owned by white people).

Some of the sites I go to are almost all Indian as they tend to employ their own. I just don't see this existential angst so many white middle class people speak of. I often wonder if it's because they work in professional environments and don't actually meet many black or Asian lads in their day to day lives.

If you work in a professional environment in the public sector you meet people of all ethnicities. I’ve worked with people whose parents and grandparents have moved here from all over the world and not encountered any who are conflicted about their British identity. The more educated people are, the more confident they tend to be about who they are.

I share your experience that I've not encountered many with these conflicted feelings, but I'm not sure about the educated bit. I meet a lot more working class lads with the attitude of ^'I am who I am. Fuck em if they don't like it.'>

To me it seems like there's a lot more hand wringing from the middle classes. Like how we're always told it's the ultimate sin to ask where somebody is from. I just don't see this in real life. I actually find that a lot of non-white people are a lot more likely to ask.

Like, I've been training up a Ghanaian guy the past fortnight. Lovely bloke. He moved here as a child in the early 00's and has lived in Belgium, Amsterdam, and all over the UK. Always asking questions about heritage etc. Am I Scottish because of my red hair and surname. Why don't I have a Scottish accent if I'm of Scottish descent etc. He's always pointing out other black people and explaining he can usually tell where they're from by their appearance. Somebody was rude to him onsite the other day and he said he was particularly annoyed because the guy was Portuguese and 'same as me, looking to make a life in this country'.

I still tend to err on the side of caution at first, but really so much of this middle class hand wringing and wokeism, doesn't seem to usually be a thing in the real world, well not outside of overly ethical corporate environments like the law firm I once worked for which literally had a 'no banter, banter can be harmful' policy. I've found mist people like it when people are interested in their background.

Apologies to have gone on a bit of a tangent.