Asylum seekers costing taxpayers £6mil a day

[HoraceCharlie]

Firstly- I appreciate this may be an unpopular posting.

I will say I DO agree with people seeking asylum if they genuinely need it- war etc.

But am I in the wrong they should be expected to DO something when they are here?

Provide them with adequate shelter, 3 meals a day, warmth and electricity and vouchers for clothing based on need. Include nappies and formula for babies.

Give free childcare to the children and they have to work on voluntary basis for a set period before they can apply to officially stay

thoughts?

2 questions for you.

What are we suggesting they do in cases where they don't speak, read or write English?

Where are these childcare workers going to come from when we can't recruit Early Years workers as it is?

Most asylum seekers that I know are desperate to contribute to society. But the rules make it extremely difficult for them even to do voluntary work. What's needed to sort out the mess is safe legal routes to claim asylum and prompt and fair processing of the claims. That's the simple way to fix it.

In an ideal world. Maybe.

Most nursery/childcare settings have waits of 6 months to 2 years in some cases as it is. Where do you expect magic places/workers/funding to come from? It would offset any financial economical contribution to society asylum seekers may make in the future, not negating the fact that voluntary work would cost companies/workplaces money, and voluntary work is incredibly limited. Not even touching the surface of the fact that most can't speak, read or write English.
It's impossible.

You're not allowed to question it or consider anything. You will be considered a racist and shut down!

Yes there should be something to help with costs. That is the government's job. However there is a massive entitlement that people shouldn't be expected to do anything. One day goodwill will run out. It is happening but its best to ignore.

So, living in a good country where we don't need to worry about running for life, we demand people who come here to be productive from the start.... otherwise kick them out?

I'm sure no one wants to free their own country. Do you? And if they do, don't you think there are real reason why they do?

This

You might want to do a bit of reading OP. Thoughts?

Imagine how it looks from the outside.
'Go to England (as opposed to the UK), and you'll be given free board & lodgings in a hotel, and get a daily allowance, for which you don't have to work.
Just pay your money and hop on this boat'

Exactly. The problem is that the rules we have make it incredibly hard for asylum seekers to work. That's the real issue.

The reason asylum seekers don't work is because they aren't allowed to.

You are Nigella Farage.

I reckon many of them would love to work. It's our systems that don't allow it, and that's on the UK government.

We could also process asylum seekers and integrate them much faster if it were possible for people to apply for asylum from outside the UK, but again that system doesn't exist and that's on the UK government.

Instead we get our Home Secretary blowing hundreds of millions on the Rwanda scheme, breaking international human rights law left, right and centre and tacitly supporting harrassment of the people who make it here.

Bet your glad you voted brexit

They are economic migrants who came through safe France. No sympathy. We are a family of immigrants, but then in our country we wouldn't behave like they have so I guess we can't really empathise at all with their leeching behaviour. You work, you contribute to your society, you do what you can within the community (volunteer etc, food drives). You never, EVER complain.

Err they “have to” work on “voluntary” basis… that’s not voluntary. What your are describing is slavery

They are not allowed to and are bored out of their minds. There must be a way to fast track maybe a work while we process type thing. The gov need to sort it out!

Exactly this.

Also, you need to remember that the majority of these people will be incredibly traumatised. On top of being in a foreign country, not speaking the language etc, they majority will be hugely struggling with the impact of what has happened to them.

This is literally how it works! Educate yourself.

Does voluntary work require a DBS? How do you check someone coming from a war torn country?

Most would want to work. It must be so boring and depressing waiting around in limbo whilst someone decides your fate. They are not permitted to work, though, which is a pity. Poor souls.

Spot on. Fairly basic information but this government relies on the hard of thinking not to understand that and the media continue to plug the "asylum seekers cost to taxpayers" narrative.

Do you really think that £8 a week is worth it for an 'economic migrant'? Or given that the vast majority of asylum claims are successful perhaps they might actually have a legitimate claim?

Exactly. Some of the countries they are from are tourist destinations, so not running from persecution ( well in their eyes they are but not really)!

It’s interesting, the assumption is they are choosing to do nothing, not that the government rules mean they aren’t allowed to do anything, including very very strict rules on any voluntary work - and then our system puts people in this limbo for insane lengths of time, which we have to fund people for who would prefer to work.

the answer is surely to reform the system so people get an answer quickly (eg less than 6 months from applying, preferably a matter of weeks) and then on top of that, they are allowed to do unpaid work to keep skills up.

Agree.

If you are angry at the people with least in the world, there is something wrong with both your brain and your heart.

The Tories are desperate to distract from the fact it is their fault the costs for asylum have risen so high. Don't fall for their bullshit.

And how do you know they're economic migrants then?