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Asylum seekers costing taxpayers £6mil a day

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HoraceCharlie · 25/03/2023 20:20

Firstly- I appreciate this may be an unpopular posting.

I will say I DO agree with people seeking asylum if they genuinely need it- war etc.

But am I in the wrong they should be expected to DO something when they are here?

Provide them with adequate shelter, 3 meals a day, warmth and electricity and vouchers for clothing based on need. Include nappies and formula for babies.

Give free childcare to the children and they have to work on voluntary basis for a set period before they can apply to officially stay

thoughts?

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TypicalCoach · 25/03/2023 20:58

It's not necessarily true they cannot work but many do especially the men e.g the car washes etc.

Most claimants are given financial support whilst their claims are ongoing, if they are granted they have then lawful status to reside in the UK and can take up employment or go on financial support provided like unemployed Brits would.

The failed asylum seekers may have their financial support withdrawn dependent on their circumstances (E.g kids etc).
If their application is taking longer than expected they can apply fir Permission to work.

Despite what people on here and the media tell you the Home Office are actively aware and keep and provide up to date reports in other countries and issues that any affect a reason to claim asylum for example eritranans fleeing national service are usually granted within weeks of arrival, Sudanese nationals are often granted releavtivly quick.
Your Albanians etc wont get granted as there is no genuine fear of persecution in Albania, then again most if not all the young men are entering the UK from Albania to claim asylum and the effects in ten years time of the ruthless Albanian drug cartels will be a massive issue.

Stil nobody answers the question why if your life was in "humanitarian danger" why you would cross through foreward thinking countrues like Germany,Netherands, Belguim and not to mention countries like Spain,italy, Portugal and France to try and cross a Sea to get to the UK? but hey ho.

I had a friend who did/still does work involving the claimants living in hotels as a defacto go between/social worker who were all Afgnaistan nationals who entered the UK last year, the stories she told me of the general behaviour especially the men towards women and childrenjust wow l, horrific stories on a regular basis and these men are here now permanently.

I've previously underoo agency work in the nationality department and dealt many uon many with applications from thos who were previously granted asylum who upon being granted settlement protection in the UK either provide a passport showing they've travelled back to their home country or normally their UK issued travel document which shows they travel to countries that immediately border their country of origin (and then use a national passport they obtain and enter their country of origin from their).

Having worked in numerous Home Office casework jobs (entry clearance, nationality,student tier 4 leave, tier 1 leave and asylum), the amount of immigration fraud referrals you have to make related to those trying to enter the UK or living in the UK is staggering.

The whole thing is a big expensive mess and for those tories voters who think the tories governmrnt care or act on reducinf immigration..they really don't.

Reugny · 25/03/2023 21:01

Oh and the latest government trick is moving teenage/young adult refugees and their families just before their GCSE, A level and degree exams.

If you want to ensure when - and the majority of them it is when - these children/young adults are given refugee status can become productive members of society screwing up their exams, so life chances, isn't going to help.

ghostyslovesheets · 25/03/2023 21:02

They can't work LEGALLY
Children - without parents are under local authority care until 18 - then if they are appeal rights exhausted have no support
France has banned to head scarf, crosses and yarmulkes in schools and niqabs in public - not every country is 'safe' just because people can't see the issue themselves - and if you identify with Britain (through contact with British aid workers/soldier/people you know there) why would you go to Spain?
There is 100& NO legal requirement to do so

minou123 · 25/03/2023 21:03

YouJustDoYou · 25/03/2023 20:35

They are economic migrants who came through safe France. No sympathy. We are a family of immigrants, but then in our country we wouldn't behave like they have so I guess we can't really empathise at all with their leeching behaviour. You work, you contribute to your society, you do what you can within the community (volunteer etc, food drives). You never, EVER complain.

This doesn't make any sense.

To get Asylum Support the Op is talking about, you have to have an asylum claim lodged with the Home Office.

If you're an economic migrant, you wouldn't get financial assistance, because you haven't lodged an asylum claim.

pointythings · 25/03/2023 21:04

Stil nobody answers the question why if your life was in "humanitarian danger" why you would cross through foreward thinking countrues like Germany,Netherands, Belguim and not to mention countries like Spain,italy, Portugal and France to try and cross a Sea to get to the UK?

Because you have relatives here? Because you speak English?

When we mentioned the ability to work in the UK on this thread, we didn't mean car washes (where people are exploited and underpaid, and which are often run fraudulently in tax terms). We meant legally and properly.

MrsSchrute · 25/03/2023 21:05

Stil nobody answers the question why if your life was in "humanitarian danger" why you would cross through foreward thinking countrues like Germany,Netherands, Belguim and not to mention countries like Spain,italy, Portugal and France to try and cross a Sea to get to the UK? but hey ho.

Because they have family here? Because they speak the language? Because they come from what was historically a British colony and so they feel some familiarity with the country?

Because they are human beings, and entitled to the dignity of choice?

MerryChristmasToYou · 25/03/2023 21:06

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Tholeont · 25/03/2023 21:11

TypicalCoach · 25/03/2023 20:58

It's not necessarily true they cannot work but many do especially the men e.g the car washes etc.

Most claimants are given financial support whilst their claims are ongoing, if they are granted they have then lawful status to reside in the UK and can take up employment or go on financial support provided like unemployed Brits would.

The failed asylum seekers may have their financial support withdrawn dependent on their circumstances (E.g kids etc).
If their application is taking longer than expected they can apply fir Permission to work.

Despite what people on here and the media tell you the Home Office are actively aware and keep and provide up to date reports in other countries and issues that any affect a reason to claim asylum for example eritranans fleeing national service are usually granted within weeks of arrival, Sudanese nationals are often granted releavtivly quick.
Your Albanians etc wont get granted as there is no genuine fear of persecution in Albania, then again most if not all the young men are entering the UK from Albania to claim asylum and the effects in ten years time of the ruthless Albanian drug cartels will be a massive issue.

Stil nobody answers the question why if your life was in "humanitarian danger" why you would cross through foreward thinking countrues like Germany,Netherands, Belguim and not to mention countries like Spain,italy, Portugal and France to try and cross a Sea to get to the UK? but hey ho.

I had a friend who did/still does work involving the claimants living in hotels as a defacto go between/social worker who were all Afgnaistan nationals who entered the UK last year, the stories she told me of the general behaviour especially the men towards women and childrenjust wow l, horrific stories on a regular basis and these men are here now permanently.

I've previously underoo agency work in the nationality department and dealt many uon many with applications from thos who were previously granted asylum who upon being granted settlement protection in the UK either provide a passport showing they've travelled back to their home country or normally their UK issued travel document which shows they travel to countries that immediately border their country of origin (and then use a national passport they obtain and enter their country of origin from their).

Having worked in numerous Home Office casework jobs (entry clearance, nationality,student tier 4 leave, tier 1 leave and asylum), the amount of immigration fraud referrals you have to make related to those trying to enter the UK or living in the UK is staggering.

The whole thing is a big expensive mess and for those tories voters who think the tories governmrnt care or act on reducinf immigration..they really don't.

i work supporting refugees and asylum seekers. Asylum seekers are not legally allowed to work. I haven’t heard of any asylum claims in recent times being processed in weeks - most takes years nowadays.

Most refugees stay in neighbouring countries- a minority travel further generally because of ties of language or family. Some, yes, because they believe things will be better here economically or in terms of human rights - at the moment we are going backwards on both fronts but our reputation is still high in some places. I work with Afghans - everyone is different, and it’s fantastic to see the opportunities some of the women now have here. Don’t forget them in talking about the men.

ghostyslovesheets · 25/03/2023 21:12

and all this talk about 'working in car washes' I work with under 18's trafficked into this country to 'work' in cuckoo houses, cannabis factories, 'nail' salons and in sexual exploitation - I mean that's work right? FFS

TypicalCoach · 25/03/2023 21:13

www.gov.uk/government/publications/handling-applications-for-permission-to-take-employment-instruction

Yes you can read the casework guidance issue in 2022 if your application is outstanding for longer than 12 months as your application should take less than 12 months and youll be on financial support.

Failed asylum seekers cant as they have no right to reside in the UK.

Those who are granted will hold lawful status.

KarmaStar · 25/03/2023 21:15

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LimeCheesecake · 25/03/2023 21:15

How to fix the system - allow people to apply for asylum before arriving in the UK at a UK embassy/online. for those who apply (either on arrival or before arrival), process claims within 6 months, so the British tax payer doesn’t have to fund them for years until they are allowed to work. If their application takes more than 6 months, they are then allowed to work (paid or voluntary) to self fund.

ghostyslovesheets · 25/03/2023 21:16

@TypicalCoach those in hotels are awaiting a decision - they can NOT work

I have kids who have been here 4+ years, have a positive trafficking decision and are STILL awaiting an asylum decision - preventing them from joining apprenticeships or going to university - the system is broken

ilovesooty · 25/03/2023 21:17

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Oh dear.

ghostyslovesheets · 25/03/2023 21:19

ilovesooty · 25/03/2023 21:17

Oh dear.

ha! It's daft isn't it @ilovesooty - they want free everything - wooohoo a room in a hotel, shit food and a tiny allowance a week - no education, employment or support - it's fab

people need to stop reading the Tory shit sheets

Tholeont · 25/03/2023 21:21

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Don’t be ridiculous. You don’t know who they are and what they want. And they get nothing. £8 a week and no right to work.

minou123 · 25/03/2023 21:29

TypicalCoach · 25/03/2023 21:13

www.gov.uk/government/publications/handling-applications-for-permission-to-take-employment-instruction

Yes you can read the casework guidance issue in 2022 if your application is outstanding for longer than 12 months as your application should take less than 12 months and youll be on financial support.

Failed asylum seekers cant as they have no right to reside in the UK.

Those who are granted will hold lawful status.

We know.

They can apply for permission to work, after waiting more than 12 months for thier asylum case to be decide.
They have to get permission.

Be honest, how many are granted permission to work whilst thier claim application is being processed?

Tholeont · 25/03/2023 21:33

And when and if they get permission to work it’s often in completely unrealistic and unreasonable jobs that aren’t accessible to most - think nuclear physicist or baller dancer - honesty, please trust those of us who work in this field and know about it rather than the media and political lies ..

minou123 · 25/03/2023 21:40

Tholeont · 25/03/2023 21:33

And when and if they get permission to work it’s often in completely unrealistic and unreasonable jobs that aren’t accessible to most - think nuclear physicist or baller dancer - honesty, please trust those of us who work in this field and know about it rather than the media and political lies ..

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I know you support Afghan refugees and asylum seekers.

I work with Syrian refugees and asylum seekers.

You know. In all the years I've been doing this work, I've never heard an application for permission to work granted.
We've helped many apply for permission, but they've all been rejected.

ghostyslovesheets · 25/03/2023 21:41

@Tholeont + @minou123 - UASC here - I hear you! Honestly people have no idea

minou123 · 25/03/2023 21:41

Sorry, I should say I support Syrian refugees and asylum seekers.
I dont work with them, because thet are not allowed to work.

MrsSchrute · 25/03/2023 21:47

LimeCheesecake · 25/03/2023 21:15

How to fix the system - allow people to apply for asylum before arriving in the UK at a UK embassy/online. for those who apply (either on arrival or before arrival), process claims within 6 months, so the British tax payer doesn’t have to fund them for years until they are allowed to work. If their application takes more than 6 months, they are then allowed to work (paid or voluntary) to self fund.

Sounds sensible and would be both more efficient and save money.

It'll never catch on.

EsmeSusanOgg · 25/03/2023 21:48

The law was changed around 20 years ago to prevent asylum seekers from getting jobs. Many are often highly qualified people... But they're not allowed to work. I think most would prefer to. Better than being stuck on vouchers (not benefits) for years and years.

forageintheforest · 25/03/2023 21:48

We really haven't progressed from the middle ages have we?
Then we shouted "Witch Witch" at someone who stood out and did not contribute except by being a wise woman with herbs and potions. Today we shout "illegal immigrant, scrounger of our taxes"
Its the most heinous reaction of people who feel under threat for some strange reason.

Nimbostratus100 · 25/03/2023 21:50

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no they don't, what makes you think that?