Asylum seekers costing taxpayers £6mil a day

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Firstly- I appreciate this may be an unpopular posting.

I will say I DO agree with people seeking asylum if they genuinely need it- war etc.

But am I in the wrong they should be expected to DO something when they are here?

Provide them with adequate shelter, 3 meals a day, warmth and electricity and vouchers for clothing based on need. Include nappies and formula for babies.

Give free childcare to the children and they have to work on voluntary basis for a set period before they can apply to officially stay

thoughts?

100% agree

But say a doctor came here claiming asylum who didn’t speak a word of English- how on earth could he do the job? If I went to a GP for instance who didn’t understand what was wrong with me then I wouldn’t go to them again.

Maybe I will add a certain number of English lessons should be thrown into the mix- the more you need to communicate, the more you need to study.

what I find really amusing is I bet most of us on here have gone to a foreign country and got frustrated because a local doesn’t speak English.

you dont seem to understand what an asylum seeker is.

They are people who have applied for refugee status and are waiting to be processed.

So the way to prevent big bills for the care of asylum seekers is to actually process them, then they are not asylum seekers any more. And if they get refugee status, they then work like the rest of us, and yes, that includes many surgeons and teachers.

In fact, I know several schools where the only qualified maths teachers are refugees, that is many thousands of students who would not have access to a maths teacher at all, without these people who once sat around as asylum seekers, waiting to be processed

Are you seriously that fucking stupid and small minded and ignorant that you seriously believe that people are separated from their families and leave their homes and flee across the world and risk their lives and the lives of their children travelling to the UK in desperately dangerous conditions and then arrive in the shitty cold grey rainy UK, judged and despised by people such as yourself - and they do this all for the tiny amount of money that they can barely survive on and for disgusting, almost inhumane accommodation? Anyone who has been driven to arrive in the UK is doing so out of absolute desperation and will of course be wanting to have a chance to work, earn money, gradually rebuild their lives. But they’re not fucking allowed to. They are just judged by people like yourself who think it’s a holiday and that people are falling over themselves to reach the UK because it’s so great for them to not be able to not work and to live in poverty and to be dehumanised. For goodness sake. What have I just read.

No way they should be around children,most are men in their 20s,30s in Finland they have found many through social media have been part of ISIS etc in the past.

UK need to sort its borderforce put stop rnli human trafficking and get navy to protect uk instead of hanging around in random places around the world including the black sea and defending ukraines border- or maybe the talk about refugees being places now in army accomodation to create an army (against british people once the lid blows and riots start) are right,who knows.

Ah. So you want to bring back gangmasters and exploit people?
Why didn't you say so.

Btw. What job is a "shitty job"?
What work did you do that was shitty?

UK need to sort its borderforce put stop rnli human trafficking and get navy to protect uk instead of hanging around in random places around the world including the black sea and defending ukraines border

Priti Patel already tried.

The Navy said no and refused to do it.

Because they have ethics, morals, empathy, understand that it won't work, and generally are good people - unlike you and Priti.

Bingo. How long before someone also says ‘far right’

The solution is to speed up processing them. The quicker a decision is made, the quicker they can either become a productive member of society with leave to remain, or they can be repatriated.

So you are saying that they are all child abusers and terrorists? Honestly the level of base prejudice and ignorance in that statement makes it hard to know where to start - but I can tell you that, for example, I’ve recently been working with an Afghan interpreter for the west who wasn’t evacuated - many were not - so came here on a small boat with his wife, two little children and a six year old nephew who had lost both parents so he is looking after. He would love to work. Being an interpreter, he has good English. They get some pretty rubbish basic food, £8 a week, and a lot of hare and prejudice from people like you.. Maybe if you met them, you would understand more… I can only hope…

France isnt safe for many religious groups

It's good to see you're completely ignorant of asylum law.

They are people. So they are all different. Some have good English and others don’t, Some have professional backgrounds l, others don’t. About three quarters are usually assessed as having valid asylum claims - meaning that they are in danger in their home countries according to the Refugee convention. The problem, as others have repeatedly said, is that the government has been incompetent in processing claims leading to huge backlogs and hotel costs, and delays in people being allowed to rebuild their lives, work and contribute.

This thread is evidence as to why the Tories exist.

Why do we pay so much in benefits to waters? Why should my taxes pay for free medication for some pensioner? Why should mothers get so much maternity care? Why should children get those free books? Why do I have to share a neighbourhood with affordable housing? Why should we be helping others before our own? This mentality actually exists and this thread is just another colour of it.

So many in this thread are just bad people. You've failed in the most basic duty of humanity. You're a waste of human potential.

The new immigration bill will add to human suffering and also costs - see https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/latest/news/nearly-200000-people-could-be-locked-up-or-forced-into-destitution-new-report-on-asylum-bill-reveals/

We should all be standing against it - inform others, write to MPs, make a difference where we can. There is a lot of hate and ignorance on this thread but I can see a lot of lovely people here too defending the vulnerable.

what I find really amusing is I bet most of us on here have gone to a foreign country and got frustrated because a local doesn’t speak English.

I don’t think I’ve ever gone to a foreign country and felt aggrieved they didn’t speak English…because I’m not an ill-mannered, insular twit.

However, it is true that in the EU asylum seekers are legally required to apply for asylum from within the first EU country they reach. The bonus is that their application for asylum can be for any EU country, it doesn’t have to be for asylum in the country they first arrived in and are currently being hosted by.

The EU centrally processes asylum and refugee applications, and once approved, pays for safe transport to the EU country they will be granted long term asylum in potentially even settlement.

This is pertinent because asylum seekers coming to the U.K. generally pass through the EU on their way here. The boats are literally coming from the EU. So I don’t think it is wrong to question why haven’t they applied for asylum in the EU?

IMHO asylum seekers are fleeing war zones and lethal levels of persecution. They are generally deeply traumatised. I think we need to step up our services for them in terms of mental health support, better housing & higher daily allowance, free legal support for their applications and to prove their identity, humanitarian support to find and bring over any missing family members in similar danger, English lessons (if needed), help converting qualifications to English equivalents, better support for their children in schools, full medical assessments and treatment and so on. I don’t think they should have to do any work for at least a year as they literally are dealing with extreme trauma and having to rebuild their lives from a smoking ruin.

I think we should ask the EU to join in with their central processing of asylum applications so that once they enter the EU, they can tick off U.K. and apply for asylum here via their choose any country process. That means they’d be housed in say Poland until we approve them and then we’d pay to fly them here with refugee visas and support already in place. As it is, they have to beg their way across Europe homeless & starving, and then risk their lives with a human trafficker in a boat across the channel.

Our government is knocking out trade agreements left and right, surely they have a small team they could assign to do a refugee agreement with the EU and make this happen?

That sounds rather like beggars can’t be choosers to me. We shouldn’t be viewing this as what is the absolute minimum we can do, but we should be looking at what is the most we can do? And how can we join together with our European neighbours to do this as a joint effort so that violent tent camps and channel drownings are eliminated.

@L3ThirtySeven the problem with your reply to me is that at present, unless you're coming from Afghanistan, Ukraine or Hong Kong, it isn't possible to apply for asylum unless you are already in the UK. Those are UK rules. So if someone wants to come to the UK, which they have every right to do, their only route is to use one of the small boats. The government know this. They know the solution is to permit applications from other countries. They won't do this, because it will cost them votes.

And how can we join together with our European neighbours to do this as a joint effort so that violent tent camps and channel drownings are eliminated.

We were joined together with our European neighbours. Then we chose not to be. Consequences.

Because morons voted for Brexit and so now the EU can just let people cross without having to deal with the Dublin agreement or any other EU agreements on processing asylum seekers.

Actions have consequences.

At the end of the day, the UK is struggling to deal with what it has. Where are these people going to live? Who is going to pay for them? Sure, in an ideal world this would be lovely, but we do not live in an ideal world.

I've worked with some asylum seekers through volunteering and they WANT to work but are prohibited. Yes they should be able to work, noone is seeking asylum for no reason. Think about how bad things would have to be to displace yourself to a country you don't know with a language you may not speak and put yourself at their mercy?

Yes, I do know the U.K. would have to make changes. But my reply was factual in terms of there is in fact a legal requirement for asylum seekers/refugees to apply for asylum in the first EU country they reach with the understanding the application allows them to choose any EU country.

This EU law supersedes the UN convention you are quoting and isn’t really relevant to the situation we are facing as the asylum seekers arrive here via the EU. It’s also not an adequate justification for them to be expected to travel through the EU incognito, homeless, starving, and ultimately become human trafficker victims before they finally get to the shores of the U.K.