Asylum seekers costing taxpayers £6mil a day

[HoraceCharlie]

Firstly- I appreciate this may be an unpopular posting.

I will say I DO agree with people seeking asylum if they genuinely need it- war etc.

But am I in the wrong they should be expected to DO something when they are here?

Provide them with adequate shelter, 3 meals a day, warmth and electricity and vouchers for clothing based on need. Include nappies and formula for babies.

Give free childcare to the children and they have to work on voluntary basis for a set period before they can apply to officially stay

thoughts?

It’s not always war though. Uganda just passed the death penalty for being gay. They’re not the only country persecuting gay men. And it is usually gay men, these homophobic countries also tend to think lesbians do not exist. So asylum seekers can be seeking asylum for many reasons- religion, sexuality, political activism.

It’s also a bit sexist to assume only men fight wars. The majority of armed forces in the world have women soldiers. And women are perfectly capable of holding down the fort while her husband/brother takes a dangerous journey to the U.K.

Immigrants of the Patel and Braverman persuasion.

Exactly!

@FannyPhart 75% of asylum applications in 2022 were granted. So clearly a substantial portion of those Albanian men had a genuine case. Where the initial application was denied and an appeal was lodged, 44% of those appeals were successful.

But don't let actual facts get in the way of what the Mail tells you...

It generally accepted good practice to link which report you have copied and pasted from.

I mean. you wouldn't us to think you're claiming credit for someone's else's work, would you?

For anyone who wants to read the full and sccurate report
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/factsheet-small-boat-crossings-since-july-2022/factsheet-small-boat-crossings-since-july-2022

I have no idea where you got the idea that Albanians have the highest involvement in drugs, money laundering and are responsible for 70% of prostitution in London.
Perhaps you could provide the link to the report you got that information?

Asylum seekers are not costing taxpayers £6m a day.

The Tory government's deliberate underfunding and mismanagement of the asylum process is costing taxpayerd £6m a day.

No matter how hard they, you, or anyone else try to twist the blame on to asylum seekers the fault and issues lie squarely at the feet of the government. But, of course it's much easier and much more satisfying to kick vulnerable people while they're down than to actually accept responsibility and tackle the issues cause.

this is all completely irrelevant.

They are asylum seekers because they have not been processed.

Process them then they are not asylum seekers any more, are they

There's a lot of focus by some people on countries which are at war but that isn't the only reason for seeking asylum. Imagine your son was being pressured into joining a drugs gang and there was no help to protect him from the police or anyone else in authority. The only choice is join, be killed or flee. Which are you going to suggest? Isn't it possible that some of the young men coming from Albania are in this position?
Processing applications speedliy and not forcing people to risk the boats to get to the point that they can apply are within the gift of the government. They just don't want to sort it.

My friends teen daughter and her friends have been harassed by migrants at the nearby hotel and the school had to get involved.
This issue is not isolated and always seems to get overlooked on these threads.

@FannyPhart around fifty percent of Albanian men have been granted asylum in recent times, ninety per cent of Albanian women. This means that the Home Office has assessed them a meeting the criteria for being in genuine need of protection. The second highest nationality to cross the channel in 2022 were Afghans. They will have included people who worked for the West and who have reason to particularly fear the Taliban - LBTQ minorities, human rights defenders etc. All these statistics are readily available on Government websites. Every case is different, and as many of us on this thread have been explaining the main reason for the excessive and expensive use of hotels recently is Government inefficiency. Don’t believe the propaganda in some of the media -it’s a distraction technique, blaming the vulnerable for their failings.

@PinkRiceKrispies my then teen DD was harrassed by white British men... These issues always seem to get overlooked.

I knew that was the response I would get.
The point I am trying to make it that the Muslim attitudes especially towards women are damaging and that it's crazy to say that all migrants want to work and be good citizens in this country. It's not a simple issue like some make it out to be and concerns should be voiced without others yelling about racism, being thick or a horrible human being.

@PinkRiceKrispies I know a lot of Muslims. Enough that I'm not stupid enough to stereotype all of them.

Yet it is an attitude that many Muslim men do have and needs to be discussed.
The all or nothing approach frustrates me in these discussions. It is wrong to say that all migrants have good intentions, want to contribute and are no threat to women or children. It is ok to express concerns yet the problem is, many feel they can't express those for fear of being called a bigot or a mean and selfish person. Being able to look at the pros and cons of a situation makes for a healthy debate.

Indeed. Everyone is different. Every asylum case is different and every human seeking asylum deserves a fair hearing. This hasn’t happened recently - leading to the ridiculous overuse of hotels - and for the most recent arrivals it now never will, as the latest Government bill will condemn people to endless limbo or send them to Rwanda, a country with a very dodgy human rights record

It isn't healthy to essentially say that because some refugees, like some British people, don't follow the law in the UK and therefore we should not accept any refugees. Because that is what the 'stop the boats' mob are saying. Many people on this thread, myself included, have pointed out that currently there are no options for the vast majory, a few nationalities excepted, to apply from outside the UK. We have also pointed out that the pressure on hotels and the enormous backlog are down to government policy and to some extent, Brexit. But you seem perfectly OK with that. Are you? Do you want to see an efficient, humane asylum system, or do you just want to demonise people?

I don’t think that all of the indigenous male population want to work and contribute or have healthy attitudes towards women…

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Out of interest after these men had harassed your daughter why did you go off and speak to them about their religious beliefs? Seems a strange route to take.

It is blinkered thinking to say that Muslim men can't have damaging attitudes to women and girls. This isn't an unknown fact. It also isn't isolated to just the incident I described with my friends daughter. I've heard it on here a few times as well.
It just frustrates me when some make out like every migrant is a poor defenceless victim who is desperate to work and is an all round amazing person. Even with what I've said I've been accused of demonising people. I think I speak for most when I say I support those who want to come over here to work and make a positive difference but that I have concerns over those who do not have good intentions and who do not want to work. Who are here for the wrong reasons and yes they do exist and it's wrong to say otherwise.
As for some British men being like that , I don't disagree but that isn't what the discussion is about.
Seems to me that you can't express concerns about immigration, trans issues or drag acts for kids etc without being insulted. Called a bigot, a racist, thick, gammon, uneducated etc. As I said before, it shuts down healthy debate and important issues that need to be discussed.

I did some admin work in this field 20 years ago - the law was changed to deter economic migrants from posing as asylum seekers. It was the very beginning of the hostile environment.

It hasn't worked. It didn't put anyone off. Now, people arrive in the knowledge that they will probably spend 18 months waiting around before they get a decision. This is a sacrifice they are willing to make because their countries of origin are so far behind the West economically.

I have lived in countries with a high proportion of working migrants from poor countries. It brings home how determined they are. A couple of years of boredom is nothing to someone with that mentality.

This does happen due to cultural differences. I think that we should have mandatory courses for all immigrants on western values- especially on concepts like women’s rights and child rearing. We have that life in the U.K. test but it’s a complete joke of random trivia designed to trip up applicants. I’d rather have a way where immigrants can get together and be informed on things like what is antisocial behaviour here, the laws about upskirting/harrassment. Ask questions about etiquette and so on. Can be taught by settled immigrants so it’s taught with sensitivity for their own culture and not in a prejudiced colonialist fashion. Sort of top tips and what you need to know about the U.K. from someone from your country whose been here five years…

@PinkRiceKrispies mentioning British men is absolutely germane to the discussion, because the 'this is what Muslim men are like and therefore we should not let them into the country' argument is one that is used by the 'stop the boats' brigade. Asylum seekers are not saints. The people who live in the UK are not saints. None of that is an argument against having an efficient, well run and well funded, humane asylum system. Do you agree with that or not?

PinkRiceKrispies
As for some British men being like that , I don't disagree but that isn't what the discussion is about

If we are being picky, this discussion was about asylum seekers working whilst they are waiting for thier asylum claim to decided

You decided to bring up something else Muslim men attitudes towards women", which had nothing to do with this discussion.

That's fine, I understand, threads do move and change as people want to discuss other issues.

But then you have the gall to complain when people dont stick to "your" discussion and respond to you in a way you don't like.

I get that everyone is talking about the asylum seekers staying in hotels in this country now but what about all the others that could be arriving soon? 80 boats were seen leaving Tunisia today, some of them probably heading here, how many more are we expected to take, house, educate, heal etc? Then when they settle and want to bring their families. We really don't have the room, resources etc to take in everyone who wants to come here. Everyone will have a story but we must draw the line somewhere.