Gwyneth Paltrow and the skiing incident

[BringCathyBack]

Why is everything about suing these days?
He’s saying she crashed into him whilst being distracted by her kids. So it was an accident then? It’s not like she ploughed into him on purpose or crashed into him whilst drunk or high … it was an accident

She’s saying he crashed into her by accident and is counter suing him.

AIBU to think this whole suing culture for genuine accidents needs to stop?

From what I have read about this, it sounds that Paltrow was negligent and he was badly injured. I also read that she was unapologetic, lacking in care or responsibility for what she had done. I think maybe this is why it has reached this point.

I find her unbearably smug. Not related but just how she comes across.

I’m assuming he’s suing for medical care and because she’s rich.

Originally I assumed it was an accident with no particular fault. But having read the evidence from I think GP is telling the truth, it sounds like he skied straight into her. The way she described it is not what what you would invent if you were going to lie about it.

Having read both sides I can’t see how anyone thinks his is more credible.

The xrays taken of his ribs, show he had 4 fractured ribs.
That's a fact.

But, each doctor has a different opinion on how that injury occured.

His doctor says they are consistent from being hit from behind.
GP hasn't presented her case yet, but will bring doctors in to prove the rib injury is consistent with him hitting into her.

Which doctor do you believe?

The brain injury is an interesting one.
He didn't seek medical treatment until 2001 - 5 years after the ski incident.
The scans do show a decline in brain function.

His medical records show he did go for brain scans before the ski accident as he was concerned with his mental/brain functions. And he was seeking treatment for mental health problems before the accident..

His doctors are saying the decline in his brain function is directly related to the ski incident and being concussed.

Her doctors will say, he was having issues with his brain/mental health before the accident. And his current issues, forgetfulness, inability to multi task etc are just normal aging issues.

Which doctor do you believe?

I know right. But some will take his side because they think GP is rich, blond and smug, rather than the evidence at hand.

Nonsense. That snowboarder is being prosecuted.
In Italy you have to have compulsory personal liability insurance to ski.
I live in Austria and anything like this is classed as a leisure time accident. This means that certain things are not paid for by the "Krankenkassen" - the health insurance companies (these are run by the state, it's not private like the US). You would be treated for the injuries received, but the Krankenkasse does not pay out for things like rehabilitiation and so on. This means that your own leisure accident insurance would need to pay out for the aftermath of the accident. If it was caused by someone else then they would go after the other person's personal liability insurance. The Krankenkasse will also try to recoup the costs of the treatment from the person who caused the accident, rather than it coming out of the public funds.
It's very complicated but if an accident occurs when skiing, blame has to be apportioned and the appropriate insurance company has to pay out.

It's the odd facial expressions she has been making in court which I find interesting rather than the case itself. I think there's wrongdoing on both sides. They should just apologise to each other and move on. Life is too short.

Her putting the 'it definitely wasn't sexual assault but for a moment I thought it could have been sexual assault' was a cynical move on GP's and her legal team's part.

I suppose IF it’s true and he landed on her, grunting, then one could think he did it deliberately to get to touch her.

Is this a jury case? That would put me right off as a juror. If you are innocent, no need to try and make this about sexual assault.

He's 'only' sued for $300000 I think which isn't much in the grand scheme of things

Actually, he was originally suing for millions. A judge told him he was limited to the $300,000 and knocked down his claim to pursue.

It sounds like he was actually in the wrong, tbh, but can't accept he's done this to himself.

Why? It’s a reasonable explanation for why someone might have shouted something like “wtf are you doing get the fuck off me!” Instead of “omg are you ok?”

I have absolutely no idea. Maybe there needs to be an independent court expert who examines both reports and makes a professional judgement and it's that that gets presented to the jury.

It’s all about insurance in the US. The same way your car insurance provider is technically suing another when you have a crash.

It’s all VERY bizarre though. I am NOT a GP fab especially when she seems to be constantly promoting her eating disorder. It it’s a ski slope FFS don’t be faffing around stopping and fannying on to the point someone crashes into you. He must have been fairly still for a tiny women, who’s probably about 4 stone wet through, to band into him so hard as to give him brain damage.

I think it’s hard to tell with the ribs. My dh iceskating he broke his ribs. Not because someone hit him from behind because he hit a hard object in front of him.

So the ribs could be was smashing into the back of gp, older peoples bones do break at more easily which is why it’s always so much more damaging when they fall over. She could have gone into the back of him but then I’d of expected bruising on his back from her impact at speed to him again being a more elderly person who will sustain injury’s easier.

I can’t imagine either making up a story about someone’s skis between between your legs and grunting sounds in your ear.

The man’s already tried before and failed to sue, the daughter says his become obsessed by this issue. He already had many medical issues prior which makes the skiing alone much more risky even if he had of just fallen over.

Then there’s apparently an independent instructor who it’s being claimed to of said he ran into her where as his witnesses/doctor are friends.

It’s partly because of the states not having free medical care, so you could be out of pocket for thousands and thousands in medical bills. So it creates a culture of litigation. With the break down of the NHS and fewer legit employers paying sick pay I hope we don’t see it come over here.

You don't actually know anything about it, do you? You don't know why he is suing. You don't know if it was a genuine accident, you don't know if someone was at fault, or liable.

So really, what the fuck are you doing questioning it?

That'll be lovely, but that's the problem.

In the US, there is no independent court expert.
We have it in the UK

But in the US, each side gets to pay for thier own expert, who naturally will side with the person who is paying them.
The jury then have to decide which expert they agree with.

In my opinion, I think this is a massive problem with the US civil law.

I could see this if it was say the hot coffee incident but if your going skiing you take out the insurance as it's a known risk!

Well thats the news story I read.

Do tell us what really happened….

Exactly. A brain injury he didn’t know he had till years later despite having had a scan to investigate potential mental decline BEFORE the accident. A daughter who says he’s always been an angry man who’s obsessed with GP since the accident. insisting that he was abandoned on slope and left unconscious whereas a ski instructor says he had a chat with him.And the only doctors who are testifying to his injuries are also his friends. oh and the friend who claims to have witnessed GP ski into him has also testified that a ski instructor told him that he’d just seen Sanderson ski into her .

but lots of posters saying she should just pay up and is just a rich cow.

"Agreed and as an actress, she possibly has trained her face into a resting small smile. Meghan has this look. It could be natural of course. Idk"

Fucking hell 🤣 yep, must be Meghan's fault

I think she's counter suing (for one dollar) I'm self defense.

It looks like his neurological problems had already begun before the accident and he was a prolific risk taker. Prior to the accident he drove erratically and had been known to read a book while driving at 70mph. Skiing into someone's back seems plausible for an elderly person losing their focus. His eye witness account testifying she skied into him comes from his friend who was 40ft off and has altered over time.

GP has a ski instructor's report testifying that he skied into her back but this has been suggested to be unreliable because the instructor was in her employment. Yet what is she supposed to do if that's the report that she has? There's nothing else to suggest he is lying.

The radiologist thought it unlikely from his injuries that he skied into her because he would have been shielding himself. Yet someone without the neurological function to react quickly and the ineptitude to ski into someone else might not have a quick reaction time. GP's description fits with a collision where both parties were taken completely by surprise.

GP left the scene to join her young children after ascertaining that her instructor would give her details and do whatever necessary.

I think they're trying to make a buck and in denial that he shouldn't have been on the slopes in the first place.

GP doesn't need to hide her face in court either. We all know what she looks like due to her occupation 🙄 talk about being theatrical...

Gwenyth didn't ask if she could bring in treats for court staff.

If you have a link to the news story that says that, I'll be interested in reading it.

I'm watching the trial. Personal security would like to bring court bailiffs treats as a thank you for sorting some incidents that have been happening outside the court. The judge said they could do it after the trial.
Not very exciting.