Gwyneth Paltrow and the skiing incident

[BringCathyBack]

Why is everything about suing these days?
He’s saying she crashed into him whilst being distracted by her kids. So it was an accident then? It’s not like she ploughed into him on purpose or crashed into him whilst drunk or high … it was an accident

She’s saying he crashed into her by accident and is counter suing him.

AIBU to think this whole suing culture for genuine accidents needs to stop?

Sorry I don’t respond to goading.

Weird that you’ve decided GP was the one who was distracted / looking at her children, but not that TS was distracted / looking at his friend.

You are not credible.

😂😂😂

If you postulate a theory, the onus is on you to show how it corroborates with GP and TS’s accounts. @Mirabai is right to refuse to do your homework for you.

I think the point @blitheringblackberriesis you came up with your explanation for what likely happened based on Paltrow and Sanderson testimony.

I can't access the Times article because I haven't subscribed, so I dont know what they have reported.

Paltrow has testified. But Sanderson hasn't yet. We only know what Sanderson might say, based on his complaint when he filed his law suit. But that's not testimony. He could say all sorts on Monday.

So, I'm not sure how Mirabai can tell you the ways your explanation isn't consistent or based on Paltrow or Sandersons testimony

I wouldn't be able to tell you either.

@EmmaDilemma5

Every time @Ktime describes this incident she says the guy “shoved” his basket into her. That’s the adjective she uses each time. Shoved.

Even though you weren’t there and didn’t see it, you keep unilaterally downgrading it to “nudged” or “bumped” or “hit”.

Why?

If the nature of the collision is so disputed, as it is claimed here, won't the judge be forced to conclude that GP can't be punished. If his ski instructor was there but didn't really see it. If her ski instructor didn't really see it. No one saw it. No real witnesses.

Plus his supposed lying. He got up, GP asked him if he was ok, then her ski instructor told her to ski off and see to her children and that he, ski instructor would deal with it. Yet the man later claimed he was lying down in the snow for 5 to 10 minutes and couldn't get up. none of this rings True.

Unless there's more evidence to come. Concrete. Persuasive. I just can't get my head round, what actually really happened. And if we can't, surely judge can't rule in favour of man. If no solid evidence.

Its a jury who is deciding.

Civil trials work on the balance of probability.
Only criminal court is "beyond all reasonable doubt"

So, in civil trials jury's can decide based on the evidence which story is more likely to be true or credible.
Only in criminal trials do jury's have to take into account any "doubt", so to speak.

You're right, there could be 3 outcomes.

1. Jury finds Sandersons story more credible. He wins and is awarded $300,000

1. Jury finds Paltrows story more credible. She wins and is awarded $1.

1. The jury finds that neither story is credible and sends them both home with nothing.

Here is the relevant section of The Times article in question, summarising the 2 versions. I also attach the diagram provided:

In the early afternoon, Paltrow claimed, she and her group were heading down to a restaurant for lunch when she felt someone skiing into her back. At first, she alleged, she feared the person behind might have been sexually assaulting her.She told the court last week: “Two skis came between my skis, forcing my legs apart, and there was a body pressing against me. And there was a very strange groaning noise.”

The actress said: “Is this a practical joke? Is someone doing something perverted?”She continued: “It was probably a few ... seconds and then we fell to the right. Somebody must have caught an edge. I fell on his body.”
The pair tumbled to the ground together and were almost “spooning” as they crashed, she said.

After recovering from the collision, Paltrow screamed: “You skied directly into my effing back!” — language for which she apologised in court last week and which, at the time, she feared her young son might hear.She said that Sanderson, still on the ground, responded by “mumbling” apologetically: “I’m sorry, I’m sorry.”

Sanderson has provided a diametrically different story. He says it was Paltrow who ploughed into him and is even said to have compared her to the prehistoric reptilian monster Godzilla.His lawyers argue that the actress was skiing recklessly at the time as she was distracted by Moses, who was further up the slope from her. According to the deposition of one person present, her son, who was skiing with his own instructor, Eric Christiansen, had been pleading for her attention, exclaiming: “Mama! Mama! Watch me!”

It is suggested that Paltrow then turned around to look at him, causing her to lose focus.

Paltrow crashed into him from behind, leaving him unconscious face down in the snow, according to the testimony of Craig Ramon, 48, a member of Sanderson’s skiing group, the sole eye-witness to the crash. He is being treated by the prosecution as their star witness.He told the court: “She slammed him. Very hard. She hit him directly in the back. The tips of his skis go out and he goes face down, spreadeagled, with Gwyneth on top of him.”

OK, I give up. You tell me what ‘thinking at 1000% miles an hour’ means then.

Cheers @Mirabai

An interesting part of the testimony is that the allegation is that Gwyneth was watching Moses ski with his instructor Eric and that Moses had been asking Gwyneth to watch him. Howver that testimony that Moses had been asking and that Gwyneth was watching came from Kerry Oakes deposition. According to the testimony yesterday, Keery Oakes and Apple were already much farther downhill than Gwyneth and that Eric and Moses were slightly uphill and on the other side of the run. So there is no way Kerry heard what Moses was saying at that time and nor is it likely that gwyneth could hear what Moses was saying if anything (especially with helmets). Teh lawyer tried to make it seem like it was deposed testimony that at that time of the collision Kerry heard Moses asking Gwyneth to watch him and she was doing so...but that doesn't fit with the facts of the case. Both Eric and Kerry are expected to testify next week. Eric should also be able to speak to Sanderson's level of consciousness shortly after the collision considering he was the one who skiied over to him.

I imagine she was talking about increased mental activity as part of the fight or flight response.

Those moments of heightened awareness where your brain works so fast, that time seems to actually slow down - I've definitely experienced this. It's very strange! You can absolutely have immediate thoughts, and I believe GP as I think her version of events makes the most sense.

Her story makes no sense. A man is not left with broken ribs when he skies into you so slowly and gently it feels like he is spooning you. And fight or flight is also bollocks.

You don't have a crash and just ski off.

I think the spooning was the position not the vibe. She didn’t say it was slow- but even if it was I’ve seen some bad injuries from slow-motion ski falls, people getting tangled up in each others skis etc.

I'm not a skier, but I have been involved in a potentially fatal accident, and your brain slows everything down - it all becomes super-sharp. It's obviously an evolutionary survival technique that would enable you to take action if at all possible.

You definitely DO have the opportunity too think things through and discard unworkable solutions

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A man in his 70s could have broken ribs in a fall with no one else involved.

Yes, and GP says they both fell to the ground after he crashed into her - highly likely he sustained his injuries in this way. Entirely his own fault.

But he didn't.

No indeed there was someone else involved in the fall which makes injury more likely.

The verdict’s in- victory for Gwyneth!

Classy touch from her, wishing her accuser well as she left.

Good for her!