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AIBU?

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School mum hasn't invited DC due to food allergy

261 replies

AIBRU · 24/03/2023 22:56

DC has food allergies. There's a school mum I'd spoken to about this before as she was curious.

She had told me her DC had a birthday coming up and that she didn't know how to navigate the food allergies. I explained that we never expect people to cater to it and always make sure we bring alternatives. When she mentioned again "still, it must be so tough", I said it wasn't. It isn't at all, DC has now been to loads of parties and DC has never had to eat the food we've taken with.

DC is the only child of their gender not invited to the party, which now turns out to be in a party venue (another parent told me this). We have never had a party venue charge more or say they could not cater for DC. We've never even been to a restaurant who could not cater for DC.

I'm annoyed, not necessarily that my child is the only one who's not going (although it's a bit of a shitty thing to do) but that they've clearly used this as an excuse.

AIBU?

OP posts:
lieselotte · 25/03/2023 15:26

I simply couldn't afford (both financially and mentally) to accommodate such risk and responsibility

but the OP's dc's allergy isn't life-threatening and they don't even need to carry an Epipen around. So where's the risk and responsibility? Especially if a parent stays.

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 25/03/2023 15:43

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 14:05

It's totally ridiculous to compare choosing to be vegetarian to an allergy.
Restaurants have training on allergens.

You don’t get allergy training when you get diagnosed 🤣you get told to avoid the allergen through the medium of reading labels on food.

Oh to live in your world!

MisschiefMaker · 25/03/2023 15:44

Some very selfish and weak people on this thread with talk of 'mental load' and 'it's too stressful'.

Who cares if it's an inconvenience just suck it up and do the right thing by the child fgs.

IAmTheWalrus85 · 25/03/2023 15:46

TwinsAndTiramisu · 25/03/2023 13:59

We deliberately excluded the boy who had been bullying DS from his party.

Not the whole class was invited. About 5 girls, but all of the boys, except the bully.

And frankly, you can feck off with the notion that we, as parents, were bullies for not inviting the child who had, for example, spat at DS approximately 3 days prior.

Would absolutely take that stance again. Other boys that were friends with DS should not have been excluded, in order to put forward more acceptable numbers to placate a bully's feelings.

We only know from OP that the child is "very fond" of her DS. In our case, when having a meeting with the head, and the bully's parents, despite teachers first hand witnessing the things this child had done, the mother refused to believe it declaring her DS "the sweetest boy in the class" and "great friends" with our DS.

The more you think about it, the allergies aren't even a problem (the boy has never had to eat anything different than what has been given to him at previous parties) so he's not there for "allergy" reasons.

It's either, that the whole class isn't going and OP hasn't actually checked this, or there's a problem with the DS, or a problem with OP.

I think that’s a slightly different situation. Even in that scenario though I’m not sure I would have excluded just one child. Purely because in my experience of bullying it’s rarely just one child acting completely independently. There’s usually a ringleader/queen bee/chief bully and then a group that laugh along and encourage it, but often don’t directly partake and are usually ok when the ringleader isn’t present. I wouldn’t have invited any of them either. But I appreciate that that’s highly dependent on the situation. And a tangent.

In any case as the parent of a child who’s been bullied you must be aware that deliberate exclusion IS a form of bullying and a highly damaging one? Which was my original point.

pinkySilver · 25/03/2023 15:47

So DC goes to the party and eats something that causes a reaction. Party Mum is busy - there are 20 kids to watch and cakes or entertainment to sort. Reaction could be anything from a rash or upset tummy to something much more severe. Do we think allergic child's mother would say - "Oh, no worries, these things happen - we always knew that this was a possibility". Or do we think she'd be onto the No Win, No Fee lawyers and practising her Daily Mail sad face and saying "But everyone knew about DC's allergies - it was common knowledge in the playground and I'd made PartyMum aware".

I wouldn't in a million years risk that. (With my close friends' kids who I knew I could trust, of course, but not in this situation).

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 15:50

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 25/03/2023 15:43

You don’t get allergy training when you get diagnosed 🤣you get told to avoid the allergen through the medium of reading labels on food.

Oh to live in your world!

I'd rather live in my world than one where you think comparing choosing to be vegetarian to having allergies is OK 😂
And exactly. You get diagnosed and don't get training, but it becomes second nature. You get a quick couple of minutes demo with an epi pen.
You know who else doesn't get training? Everyone, including those who may host kids parties in the future. If the mum of the birthday kid isn't comfortable dealing with the allergies, then so be it. That's life.

Fairyliz · 25/03/2023 15:52

AIBRU · 25/03/2023 13:58

Most parents stick around. Many just sit on their phones and say hi, bye and maybe a brief chat. It's a bit isolated so going out of your way, leaving and coming back doesn't always make sense.

Allergies do not require an epi pen and are not fatal.

The kids are friends and have been chatting after school. No issues evident.

I know all other children of the same gender are invited.

It is not about spaces and I can't say specifically why but let's just say school mum was inviting extra people that were not invited initially. I've realised she's not spoken to me since the invites went out.

No, I'm not 100% it is due to allergies but she had set it up to be an issue despite me saying otherwise in the beginning.

The reason people know about DC's allergies is that DC was invited to a majority of parties in the past. Note that I don't say all and I've had no problem with this. I don't give two hoots if DC is invited to all parties but the circumstances around this make it a dick move.

Well given this update and the fact that you say the children are friends it appears that the mum has a problem with you.
You clearly don’t like her and it appears the feeling is mutual.

LoveBluey · 25/03/2023 16:02

musingsinmidlife · 25/03/2023 03:38

Quite possibly she feels too anxious about having a child with a life threatening allergy in her care during the party. If she isn’t familiar with allergies, then it just feels too risky and anxiety provoking for her.

So the obvious answer is to issue an invite but ask the parent to stay rather than drop and run.

AIBRU · 25/03/2023 16:03

I'm confused at how you came to the conclusion I didn't like her? Of course I now don't like someone in these circumstances, what an odd thing to say. I thought she was alright before.

OP posts:
TwinsAndTiramisu · 25/03/2023 16:12

AIBRU · 25/03/2023 16:03

I'm confused at how you came to the conclusion I didn't like her? Of course I now don't like someone in these circumstances, what an odd thing to say. I thought she was alright before.

It's quite evident from how you write that you can't abide the woman.

And if you don't think that, it's certainly how you come across.

So perhaps the reason she doesn't want DS (and then you as a result) at the party is this?

ChristmasSirens · 25/03/2023 16:17

This thread is eye-opening. Shocking how many ableist posters are totally comfortable excluding a child with health issues. Sad to think they will probably raise their children with the same ableist values.

Ktime · 25/03/2023 16:18

TwinsAndTiramisu · 25/03/2023 16:12

It's quite evident from how you write that you can't abide the woman.

And if you don't think that, it's certainly how you come across.

So perhaps the reason she doesn't want DS (and then you as a result) at the party is this?

I can’t see anything in OP’s posts that hints that she didn’t like this woman.

OP is honest about the fact that this woman has ‘gone down in my books’ AFTER this incident.

AIBRU · 25/03/2023 16:19

I think if I were her, I'd have apologised and said something if I didn't feel comfortable but as the parents are staying for the party, I'm not sure why that conversation is necessary as she wouldn't be responsible for my DC.

Either way, I've chalked it up to simple ill intention. She could just be cruel enough just to exclude my DC or it could be excluding my DC due to allergies that the venue is perfectly able to accommodate. Again, it is not due to numbers as more invites were extended later.

OP posts:
RampantIvy · 25/03/2023 16:19

I agree with you @ChristmasSirens

Ktime · 25/03/2023 16:20

ChristmasSirens · 25/03/2023 16:17

This thread is eye-opening. Shocking how many ableist posters are totally comfortable excluding a child with health issues. Sad to think they will probably raise their children with the same ableist values.

Yes, and also attempting to excuse the ableist mum by turning it around on OP and saying she must be the problem because ‘you clearly don’t like her’ or ‘you can’t abide the woman’.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 25/03/2023 16:25

ChristmasSirens · 25/03/2023 16:17

This thread is eye-opening. Shocking how many ableist posters are totally comfortable excluding a child with health issues. Sad to think they will probably raise their children with the same ableist values.

I’m not shocked by how many are ableist. It’s so much more prevalent than people realise.

I am shocked by how many are openly so and wouldn’t even bother to make it hidden.

One mum told me, after a long time and once she’d got to know us realised DD2’s narcolepsy wasn’t as scary as she thought and was apologising, that she’d only allowed her DD to invite 10 of the 15 girls in their class so that DD could be discreetly excluded.

The ones who’d openly allow just a child with a disability or health need to be excluded is quite staggering.

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 16:29

I dont think it's ableist to suggest the other mum may be scared or uncomfortable with the responsibility.

ChristmasSirens · 25/03/2023 16:37

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 25/03/2023 16:25

I’m not shocked by how many are ableist. It’s so much more prevalent than people realise.

I am shocked by how many are openly so and wouldn’t even bother to make it hidden.

One mum told me, after a long time and once she’d got to know us realised DD2’s narcolepsy wasn’t as scary as she thought and was apologising, that she’d only allowed her DD to invite 10 of the 15 girls in their class so that DD could be discreetly excluded.

The ones who’d openly allow just a child with a disability or health need to be excluded is quite staggering.

You are absolutely right. Ableism is rampant, I’d just not expected people to be so open about it.

ChristmasSirens · 25/03/2023 16:39

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 16:29

I dont think it's ableist to suggest the other mum may be scared or uncomfortable with the responsibility.

It’s ableism to exclude a child with health issues that can reasonably be accommodated.

The venue could accommodate the need. The excluded child’s mother would have been present the whole time. People can be uncomfortable, of course they can. It’s laziness at absolute best to not even bother, and the laziness is rooted in ableism.

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 16:43

@ChristmasSirens but if the host is fretting over it, then they have every right. I've always been very understanding of people who've felt this way.

That said, that's assuming it is the allergy that's the issue. Op has said there's a chunk of the story missing.

MisschiefMaker · 25/03/2023 16:53

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 16:43

@ChristmasSirens but if the host is fretting over it, then they have every right. I've always been very understanding of people who've felt this way.

That said, that's assuming it is the allergy that's the issue. Op has said there's a chunk of the story missing.

The host should put her big girl pants on and realise her discomfort around children with medical conditions isn't a good enough reason to exclude them. Allergy kids know they are different. They shouldn't have to deal with adults discriminating against them in addition to all the other stuff they have to deal with.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 25/03/2023 16:57

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 16:43

@ChristmasSirens but if the host is fretting over it, then they have every right. I've always been very understanding of people who've felt this way.

That said, that's assuming it is the allergy that's the issue. Op has said there's a chunk of the story missing.

The host could at least have a bit of consideration for the child and not allow her child to invite everyone else.

It’s bad enough that the child is, inevitably, going to be excluded by some people because of it. People could at least shield them a little by not making it so blatant.

Not to mention the lesson that they are teaching their own child by saying that it’s ok to leave someone out for a health or disability reason.

pinkySilver · 25/03/2023 17:04

And of course it's not ableist!
Would all of you happily look after my autistic son for the day? Or take my mother with severe dementia out for the afternoon? Of course not - it would be stupid and risky for both parties. Not ableist at all.

BananaPalm · 25/03/2023 17:08

pinkySilver · 25/03/2023 17:04

And of course it's not ableist!
Would all of you happily look after my autistic son for the day? Or take my mother with severe dementia out for the afternoon? Of course not - it would be stupid and risky for both parties. Not ableist at all.

100% this!

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 25/03/2023 17:09

MissMooley · 25/03/2023 15:50

I'd rather live in my world than one where you think comparing choosing to be vegetarian to having allergies is OK 😂
And exactly. You get diagnosed and don't get training, but it becomes second nature. You get a quick couple of minutes demo with an epi pen.
You know who else doesn't get training? Everyone, including those who may host kids parties in the future. If the mum of the birthday kid isn't comfortable dealing with the allergies, then so be it. That's life.

Exactly, we don’t get training, we have to read labels. You can read labels. It’s not ok to be useless because you’ve got a vagina you have to be capable.

It’s not ok to be useless just because we’re female. What if your grandkids have allergies, are you just never going to host them or are you going to read a label on a food product?

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