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To wonder why the teacher brought this up at parents evening?

149 replies

Stringycheeses · 23/03/2023 11:58

My son is 4, so this is his first parents evening. We went last night and it was mostly positive.
Except she said he doesn’t like to sit with the girls and gets very upset if he’s sat next to one. He always wants to be ‘with the boys’.
We’ve never made an issue out of gender or differences, so I have no idea where this had come from.

Also wondering why the teacher brought it up, I know I should have asked at the time, but I felt a bit surprised.

OP posts:
Mumofsons87 · 24/03/2023 20:14

Has he been mistaken for a girl? Orbeen teased about it ? The unicorn tattoo seems to tell a lot more than not wanting to be sat beside the girls.
And the "you just never know" statement sounds like something he possible heard an adult say. Like if an adult thought he was a girl and another adult corrected then and he overheard them say you just never know. Or something.
I had a friend who refuses to cut her boys hair and he is constantly having to tell people he is a boy. I think it's awful. She thinks it's because he has feminine face. He doesn't. He has a blond Bob with a very feminine fringe. He has the very same haircut as his mother. No way to say it. But if she cut it or atleast let the bangs grow put he would look much more like a boy. Something to consider perhaps.

Yerroblemom1923 · 24/03/2023 20:30

She brought it up because it is an issue if he has a meltdown every time he has to sit next to a girl and the teacher is hoping you can have a word with him/encourage him to not be unreasonable so she can crack on with her job of teaching the class.

mandlerparr · 24/03/2023 20:54

She brought it up because it is upsetting him and causing a disturbance in class. Frankly, it could be something or it could be nothing. Possibly someone told him that rumor about all girls having cooties.

Serrina · 24/03/2023 21:04

Because we're not allowed to recognise gender differences anymore and anything that used to be seen as normal behaviour in a child of that age is now being seen as anti-something or other. By the way it's not the same as not wanting to sit next to people of different akin colours, clearly there is no issue of that here.

CaptainMyCaptain · 24/03/2023 22:09

Serrina · 24/03/2023 21:04

Because we're not allowed to recognise gender differences anymore and anything that used to be seen as normal behaviour in a child of that age is now being seen as anti-something or other. By the way it's not the same as not wanting to sit next to people of different akin colours, clearly there is no issue of that here.

Its not normal though. Never has been.

Kteeb1 · 25/03/2023 07:44

It's exactly the same as not wanting to sit next to someone because of their skin colour. If you don't want to interact with a whole section of people, rather than because you don't like a particular person's behavior, then it is exactly the same. The teacher is picking this out because other little boys aren't doing it. So there's clearly something there and it would be better if he doesn't go through life thinking that a whole group of people are scary. Recognsing gender differneces does not include anielating half the class.The 'you never know' comment is really odd.

IamnotSethRogan · 25/03/2023 07:57

I think it's reasonable of the teacher to mention. It sounds like it goes a wee bit beyond the "I prefer to play with boys" thing if he's actually causing an issue when sat next to girls. It's very normal to have a seating plan with a mixed table at school or work in group activities with girls and I assume the teacher would like you to reinforce that sometimes you have to sit with or work with people who aren't your first choice.

LolaSmiles · 25/03/2023 07:59

Because we're not allowed to recognise gender differences anymore and anything that used to be seen as normal behaviour in a child of that age is now being seen as anti-something or other
Why does this seem like you're trying to derail the thread into a gender discussion?
This isn't about recognising or not recognising gender. 🙄

It's a male child who is very upset over sitting next to a female child.
Most children do not get very upset at sitting next to the opposite sex in a classroom.

maddy68 · 25/03/2023 08:11

Why wouldn't they mention that?

saraclara · 25/03/2023 08:44

The teacher is picking this out because other little boys aren't doing it. So there's clearly something there and it would be better if he doesn't go through life thinking that a whole group of people are scary.

That. There is something about normal socialisation that is making your child unhappy. He's not fitting in. She mentioned it in case you had any ideas about why he feels this way, and on the assumption that you would want to know. That's exactly what parents' evening is for. To communicate with each other so that you can work together where necessary to make school a positive place for your son.

RedToothBrush · 25/03/2023 09:57

saraclara · 25/03/2023 08:44

The teacher is picking this out because other little boys aren't doing it. So there's clearly something there and it would be better if he doesn't go through life thinking that a whole group of people are scary.

That. There is something about normal socialisation that is making your child unhappy. He's not fitting in. She mentioned it in case you had any ideas about why he feels this way, and on the assumption that you would want to know. That's exactly what parents' evening is for. To communicate with each other so that you can work together where necessary to make school a positive place for your son.

I think the issue with parents evening is so many parents take it personally as an attack on their parenting.

Ultimately they want harmony in the class and for the kids to be happy.

If a little boy is kicking off because he doesn't want to sit next to a girl then that's basic harmony with in the class. He can't socialise normally. The teacher can't spend all day telling the girls to stay away from this child. It's reception - they don't sit in neat rows all day long. They do things as groups sometimes based on ability. Every child in the class has to be at least civil to all the others or you have massive issues and disruption. As it's disruptive behaviour.

It could be a sign he has special needs. It could be a sign he misunderstands something. It could be some sort of safeguarding issue.

The teacher needs to understand the behaviour to change it. To stop the distress of the child. To stop upset to other children. And to manage the classroom so she can actually teach. None of this is 'special snowflake' type thinking. There's a genuine issue here which she is looking to work with the parents to try and impress because it's causing problems.

The purpose of parents evening in reception is to highlight the child's personal development goals in order to help them in life. Generally speaking reception is largely about getting the kids to sit down and concentrate, hold a pencil and play nice. Everything else is a bonus really. If they fail to achieve those things then it inhibits their learning later down the line. My son is yr3 and COVID robbed them of this. I've spoken to parents who have said they want to know where their child is academically only, and are pissed off when the teacher focus on the fact little Johnny keeps shouting out in class. They know their child is able and just want smoke blowing up their arse. Except that doesn't actually help. The point is teachers need to do constructive criticism and areas to improve. Even if little Johnny is exceeding expectations in yr3, if he's disruptive to that degree it will catch up with him later and it will be affecting others in the class in various ways. Little Johnny will be annoying other children who don't get fair chance to participate (so damaging relationships).

This OPs son clearly isn't behaving as expected. I don't think this is a remotely 'woke' issue at four. In a couple of years time it will develop into an inclusion issue if they don't get it sorted - and that's not in the best interests of the child because that will trigger other interventions. Quite rightly. No a 4 year old isn't into Andrew Tate. But the school might be able to identify background issues or current/future vulnerabilities and that is relevant at four.

CaptainMyCaptain · 25/03/2023 10:48

Excellent post @RedToothBrush

Serrina · 25/03/2023 13:10

CaptainMyCaptain · 24/03/2023 22:09

Its not normal though. Never has been.

Well it was normal when I was at school at that age. It was pretty normal to hear boys saying "yuck girls" or girls saying "boys, yuck" or "boys/girls can't play this game" and on the occasions where a boy and girl were seeing playing together the other kids would laugh and say "look so and so and so and so are boyfriend and girlfriend, they're in love, yuck ha ha" I know this because it happened to me when I was playing with a boy in my class. It was just kids being kids, and we all grew out of it soon enough. And guess what, none of the other children in my class grew up to be misogynists or misandrists. And for the people comparing it to skin colour, it's not the same at all and I'm saying this as a person who was the one of less than 10 non-white children in my school. The kids who did this had no problems playing with children of different skin colours within their own gender.

CaptainMyCaptain · 25/03/2023 13:29

Serrina · 25/03/2023 13:10

Well it was normal when I was at school at that age. It was pretty normal to hear boys saying "yuck girls" or girls saying "boys, yuck" or "boys/girls can't play this game" and on the occasions where a boy and girl were seeing playing together the other kids would laugh and say "look so and so and so and so are boyfriend and girlfriend, they're in love, yuck ha ha" I know this because it happened to me when I was playing with a boy in my class. It was just kids being kids, and we all grew out of it soon enough. And guess what, none of the other children in my class grew up to be misogynists or misandrists. And for the people comparing it to skin colour, it's not the same at all and I'm saying this as a person who was the one of less than 10 non-white children in my school. The kids who did this had no problems playing with children of different skin colours within their own gender.

This isn't about playing with girls. This is about the boy himself becoming upset if seated near a girl. As a teacher with over 30 years experience I know this isn't a normal reaction.

Serrina · 25/03/2023 13:45

CaptainMyCaptain · 25/03/2023 13:29

This isn't about playing with girls. This is about the boy himself becoming upset if seated near a girl. As a teacher with over 30 years experience I know this isn't a normal reaction.

But how "upset" was he really? The OP is only hearing this second hand from the teacher and it could be all blown out of proportion. For all we know he might have just said "I don't want to sit next to a girl" and if he was upset at all it could be because he wants to sit next to his friend. As for the "you never know" comment, it's very unlikely that a 4 year old would use that phrase in any kind of context, children often repeat phrases they've heard adults use without really knowing what kind of context to use it in, especially when they're put on the spot and don't really know what to say.

LolaSmiles · 25/03/2023 13:59

But how "upset" was he really? The OP is only hearing this second hand from the teacher and it could be all blown out of proportion. For all we know he might have just said "I don't want to sit next to a girl
I highly doubt a teacher who has spent time working with lots of children that age would comment to a parent that a child was really upset over a one off comment that he didn't want to sit next to a girl.
Most children do not get very upset over sitting next to someone of the opposite sex in a classroom.

The teacher has told the OP because it is not typical behaviour.

CaptainMyCaptain · 25/03/2023 14:25

Serrina · 25/03/2023 13:45

But how "upset" was he really? The OP is only hearing this second hand from the teacher and it could be all blown out of proportion. For all we know he might have just said "I don't want to sit next to a girl" and if he was upset at all it could be because he wants to sit next to his friend. As for the "you never know" comment, it's very unlikely that a 4 year old would use that phrase in any kind of context, children often repeat phrases they've heard adults use without really knowing what kind of context to use it in, especially when they're put on the spot and don't really know what to say.

Well, the only answer to that is for the OP to have another chat with the teacher and discuss what, if anything, needs to be done. It's not something strangers on the internet can get to the bottom of.

stacyvaron · 25/03/2023 14:30

Girls have cooties.

HateLongCovid · 25/03/2023 16:04

MargaretThursday · 24/03/2023 19:19

I remember my first school trip aged 5yo and the teacher pairing me with a boy! I was horrified. Being a quiet shy child, I didn't say anything, but felt everyone was looking at me and commenting. We even had to hold hands with our partners. I was so embarrassed.
My sister was a tomboy who was more friends with boys than girls, and I had a brother too, so I'm not sure why I felt like that. However I'm sure that no comments had come from my relatives, and I don't recall any comments from classmates.

Yes I remember if ever a man came to our front door (unless relative or close friend) I would run upstairs crying and frightened. No idea why I did it, just how I was. Grew out of it, I really would not worry about it. I must admit, I don't know why teachers insist on this girl/boy arrangement. Why can't they just sit with friends 🙄 x

CaptainMyCaptain · 25/03/2023 16:10

HateLongCovid · 25/03/2023 16:04

Yes I remember if ever a man came to our front door (unless relative or close friend) I would run upstairs crying and frightened. No idea why I did it, just how I was. Grew out of it, I really would not worry about it. I must admit, I don't know why teachers insist on this girl/boy arrangement. Why can't they just sit with friends 🙄 x

The OP didn't say there was a boy/girl arrangement but if they sit randomly on the carpet some boys will end up sitting next to girls. If they work in ability groups there will be a mixture.

pollymere · 25/03/2023 20:15

Both incidents ring alarm bells for me. Who is feeding him this stuff that is clearly worrying him. There is definitely a need for a chat about what would be wrong if he sat with a girl or got mistaken for one? Point out you're a girl (if you are) or that Grandma is. Someone is telling him that boys do certain things or to be a strong boy or to not be thought a cissy or similar. You need to find out who. It can also be a sign that he identifies as a girl but is scared to be found out. Ask him how he'd feel being a girl and how he thinks it's different to be a boy to being a girl.

mustgetoffmn · 26/03/2023 09:01

mandlerparr · 24/03/2023 20:54

She brought it up because it is upsetting him and causing a disturbance in class. Frankly, it could be something or it could be nothing. Possibly someone told him that rumor about all girls having cooties.

What’s a cootie?

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/03/2023 09:50

mustgetoffmn · 26/03/2023 09:01

What’s a cootie?

It's American for fleas I think.

Blanketpolicy · 26/03/2023 16:31

Stringycheeses · 23/03/2023 13:33

Maybe he did think he was going to turn into a girl or something. As I’ve just remembered another incident, he was given a kids tattoo at a summer fair on his hand, when he realised it was a unicorn, we went to his grandparents and he ran upstairs hiding his hand, washed it off quickly and said “I don’t want grandma and grandpa to think I’m a girl!”

Sounds like he has had a negative comment/experience somewhere and is reacting quite strongly to it.

It could have been a one off comment someone made perhaps as a joke, something on TV, radio, a song, anything and he has misinterpreted it. I would be pleased the teacher raised it, and along with this incident gives you something to have a think about.

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