Aibu to think this man should not be in a women's prison. Barbie Kardashian. Frightening future for Irish women.

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https://gript.ie/barbie-kardashian-is-an-extremely-violent-biological-man-the-law-facilitating-him-must-be-changed

Well this is the problem with self ID. Women have warned about the effect on LGBT rights. For years and year.

Because with no gatekeeping you allow in the predators and as they say acceptance without exception...

Gender identity is a new area that needs time to sort itself out so society understands it and manages it properly.

There is no definition of gender identity so how exactly are we to "manage it properly". I have no interest in "managing" how someone presents themselves to the world, they should be free to dress however they like.

The right to decide what gender you are is pretty much accepted, so this person who says they are female needs to be treated as such.

Female is a sex based word, no male can ever be female. What does it mean to be treated as female?

You should Google John Money to find out where the term gender identity comes from. He was a sexologist but was known to refer to himself as a fuckologist, here's the story of what he did to a little boy, one of twins, after a botched circumcision. Both boys later ended their own lives.

allthatsinteresting.com/david-reimer

The problem is that they hope to deal with "exceptions", the ones who have proven to be dangerous, while still maintaining that most trans (but that could include every man who finds the loophole) are not rapists.

While I totally agree with you, in the end, self ID is totally unworkable unless it applies across the board and I don't think it can survive this. It'll take the establishment a while to absorb this, true. 🙄

Hahahaha lol no

you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts

a man in a dress who says he feels like a woman (whatever this magical woman feeling is that apparently all women share which had never been defined ) is just that

he’s not a woman

I actually think this is one of the most disturbing things.

Politicians who say that they do not know that this poses a risk to women are lying. The evidence is all there. But they do not care.

It is 2023 and the rights for a male rapists feelings not to be hurt are seen as more important than the rights of women to be safe.

Back in 2020 Lisa Nandy Labour Party MP said that she thinks that rapists who identify as women should be in women's prisons

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8012193/Labour-trans-rights-row-Lisa-Nandy-says-rapists-transition-sent-womens-prisons.html

She has never retracted that statement.

Women on the FWR boards have been discussing this for years and have been called bigots for doing so.

So who are more important? The feelings of men who identify as women? Or Women's safety and dignity.

ODFOD.

I've absolutely had enough of this men's rights activism.

Men's feelings are not more important than women's safety and dignity.

Men can wear what they want and call themselves what they want, I really don't care, but what they don't get to do is claim to be women and impose themselves on women's safe spaces and sports. No thank you.

YANBU, OP. It's absolutely terrifying that this has been allowed to go on.

If anyone wants to protest this nonsense, there is a Let Women Speak event happening in Dublin on April 15th.

https://www.standingforwomen.com/events

Whether this person is really a man in woman's clothing is yet to be determined - it's opinion.

It’s fact. And he is a violent and dangerous man.

The vast majority of female prisoners are incarcerated for non violent offences.

Putting a violent sexual offender in the mix - even if he is segregated changes the dynamic totally. Not to mention he shouldn't fucking be there. He can easily be accommodated in a male prison.

If we're talking about criminals, I don't think either option is "more" important because they're both equally unimportant.

Yes @Dotjones we know you think that women who are in prison deserve corrective rape.

Your views are vile, and are happily not widely held.

Sorry that should have said deserve 'state sanctioned rape' not 'corrective rape'.

Vile.

I'm not interested in your views either way. They are inhumane.

Unfortunately, the prison can just easily say that they are following the law. Which they are.
It all comes back to this batshit Self ID law which defies common sense. If these men, no matter how abhorrent and dangerous, have a GRC they are seen under the law as legally women and therefore belong in women's spaces.

We need another repeal campaign.

If an adult male asked to be put in a children detention centre after committing a serious offence - would that be acceptable? Even if he claimed to feel young at heart?

This is one of the most appalling things I’ve read on Mumsnet.
Women who break the law in any way are not deserving of safety or dignity?
It’s a good thing violent rapists are put in women’s prisons because this will either act as an additional deterrent or as an additional, deserved punishment?

What sort of a person are you?

I don’t know how any woman could hold this view. It’s nightmarish, like the image of Barbie K below.

If you were looking for evidence about how little people care about women prisoners in society, here it is, right here. Sickening. 😵‍💫

Fucking hell.

As abhorrent as BK's crimes are I believe that even he has a right to be kept safe in prison and the state quite rightly has a duty to ensure that. Out point is that his safety should NEVER be at the expense of women.

What is wrong with you?

Standard wine mom opinion

Standard wine mom opinion

Is that supposed to be an insult? I don't even get why.

Oh just abusing and terrorising the female warders then. That’s all right. 😠

@EarringsandLipstick that's reassuring to hear & I'm glad to hear your dd is aware of what it means to be a woman. Also reassuring that's there's questioning within the teens. My three are in a Gaelscoil & will go onto gaelcholáiste so I'm hoping that alot will get lost in translation but obviously I have no control on teen discussions outside school.

Soz that was aimed @Dotjones

Okay