to think that people who attack "woke" shouldn't be surprised when institutions like the Met Police are found to be institutionally sexist, racist, homophobic etc

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It reminds me of the scene in Casablanca when the police inspector is shocked at finding gambling at Ricks.

The right wing media attack "woke" all the time. There seems to be an issue when people speak up, try to do things differently, try to change a culture at a place.

And then they act shocked when it's found that the Met Police have a culture of misogyny, racism, homophobia etc.

Given all the attacks on people who try to change a culture, to try to get people to see other points of view, to try to speak up about diversity issues, it's not surprising that it doesn't seem to have been taken seriously and tolerated as trying to make changes would be seen as "woke" and the right wing media would turn on them.

Say anti racist if you mean anti racist
Plain English
Anything else is a distraction
Name calling , calling people anti woke ( implication for supporting women's rights ) and blaming them for institutional racism when the institution is also incredibly sexist is rather proving why many people don't align with woke

There was a poster here the other day saying she didn't want to wear a rainbow lanyard at work and she was lambasted with comments about how that meant she didn't support LGBT people.

The problem is you cant see that's not an antidote to the problem. Its just another iteration of the problem.

Remember the Police on their knees in the pandemic? They were likely the same people putting bacon in shoes. The type to go along with anything and not giving much thought.

They can sit through woke training and still not be able to think through a situation they weren't trained in detail for and how to behave. You could teach them about Marx, and about Muhammad and they still may not get it, because their brain is wired to go along with others.

I sometimes wonder if people labelling it "a few rotten apples" in years past is how it got like this. It's always "a few rotten apples" and then no-one thought about what rotten apples actually do. Like you said in a post earlier, we've got a rotten barrel here.

Well, that's exactly what happens if you dismiss the significance of even one rotten apple in a barrel. Mould corrupts everything it touches, and then those newly corrupted items corrupt what they are touching!

When I was a special for a few years back in the 80s, I was always concerned that the regulars seemed a bit too friendly with known criminals, i.e. stopping the car for a chat with know dealers or burglars, asking about their families, etc., just like they were long lost friends. Then, the same officer wouldn't have the time of day to talk to a member of the public and were usually pretty offhand and standoffish with victims of crime. I'm starting to think they were maybe a bit too close to the local criminals!

This.

This. Exactly this.

Anti corruption, equality and diversity are neither demonstrated nor supported by police attending Pride events or policing language.

They are demonstrated and supported by challenging bigoted behaviour wherever it is seen. Dehumanising other people because they are different from you is the problem, and that isn't addressed by a lanyard or flag.

See it, say it.
Any 'club' mentality - whether the boys' club, cops' club, or pride club undermines equality and diversity by promoting some people above others.

We must all be subject to the same protection and responsibilities as everyone else- neither more, nor less.

Spot on

Bathing in unicorn dust and putting pronouns on signatures ticks a lot of diversity boxes whilst ignoring the elephant in the room - the police’s relations with black people. But it’s fine because we’ve instructed all officers that trans women are women and can be searched by female officers.

If only the same vigor was applied to mending that relationship (with black people) but there’s no obvious symbol or leader to do so. There are quite a few gay officers of high rank pushing the rainbow agenda I think. Plus the awards from
Stonewall etc. It allows organisations to look good but do very little.

They don't look good, they may however perceive it as looking good.

The police in the UK have never been "woke".

This: well put. Woke attitudes are misogynistic and homophobic and they are a layer on top of all the old aggressive, intolerant, misogynistic, homophobic that has always been there.

Everything about woke is the opposite, they say men are women m, follow the rest of their messaging, they wreck the environment, don't want people to be colour blind, want women as sex workers and a surrogacy uterus breeder.

My dad and aunt both served in the police force during the late eighties and i have the upmost respect for them.
People are so quick to point out the bad about the police but never consider what it's like to work in that role or all the good they do.
Personally, I am fed up of being told that it's wrong to not love the idea of pronouns, mixed changing rooms, drag Queens performing to kids and having concerns about the influx of migrants entering this country.
I would say the woke culture has had a terrible impact on women's rights so what you're saying doesn't really make sense OP. The woke can see themselves as morally superior which grates to be honest. Nothing wrong with having your own views but don't make out that yours then overpowers everyone else's.

It is perfectly possible to be courteous and respectful to all, without inflicting published pronouns, tedious virtue signalling etc on the general public.

It is the difference between performative marketing - which gives an excuse and veneer of righteousness to carry out some of the harshest and most overt misogyny that many in society are enjoying - and actual committed values and actions.

For example I would like to see some equality of passion for the relationship with women, including women who believe in biology. Some commitment, some action, deeds and not words and pretty badges and everyone having a lovely jolly in a parade.

When the 'passion' you see however is politically enforced policing which goes against the code and actively harms the relationship with the general public, the dancing at Pride, the rainbows everywhere - you would be forgiven for thinking it's the toys and trappings and shinies and gestures and the awards up on the wall that is the valued bit.

Woke has become a cynical term because it so often turns out to be empty performatism, often by those who are quite tedious and critical of everyone and everything, and spend a lot of time scolding rather than genuinely working to make things better.

Take this incident in 2006.

extractA girl of 12 put her trust in the hands of police after a sex attack – but was handed to predators who inflicted yet more abuse.The vulnerable youngster – tipsy and upset – was sent packing by a desk clerk who told her to accept a lift home with two men who were at the police station over motoring issues.

/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-tried-report-abuse-police-24911404 I tried to report abuse to the police]]

The two men raped her, and took her to some other men who raped her too. There are no police records to trace who these men were, and only 1 of over ten men has ever been caught and convicted.

This was in 2006. No-one was naive enough to encourage 12 year old girls to accept lifts from strange men, absolutely no-one. No our parents, not our teachers, and not the police, who turned up at school to give us stranger danger warnings.

Yet apparently this police officer was blase about it. Even if the driver was in the station for something to do with a motoring offence, he was encouraging girls to get into the car. That's absolutely bizarre, isn't it?

There's a simpler explanation here. The desk clerk was in on it. He contacted these men, told the distressed 12 year old a load of flannel about why they were at the station, and manipulated her into accepting the lift.

And yet it is the left that has turned "woke" into what it is now.
A meaningless phrase that the right wing press can pick apart at will.

The right has made it meaningless by using it as a catch-all reason for all the world’s ills. They don’t want it to be defined; they want it to be forever vague and malleable. “The silent majority know what I’m talking about,” etc etc.

So why bother with the word?
Concentrate on the things that need to change not sone silly word

Awful used to mean awesome
Cute used to mean sharp apparently

This all comes down to the old point about not looking at what people say but what they do.

Woke is nothing. The Met actually harms and degrades the people it is meant to protect. People who harm and degrade others are prompted. That's why they have this report.

What is going to be the response - what are they going to do? I'd say they are still talking.

Police officers should be subject to enhanced disclosure and they should accept intense scrutiny of their personal lives - this is standard for other jobs with similar power. It is a massive piss take that it is not like this already.

Pay increases and promotions should be contingent on these changes, and misconduct should mean that promotions are not available as a matter of principle for years.

Other aspects of public service do not have these issues but the police do. This totally on management. There should be strong consequences for recommending someone for promotion who turns out to have misconduct issues or criminality. It should end your career.

This is how it is elsewhere - not impossible.

That’s subjective surely? Leics Police came in the top 100 of Stonewall’s equality index. That would’ve prompted a lot of back slapping I imagine.

Most people never heard of Stonewall until they got involved with Granny in hospital dealing with Annexe B and their children in school being taught anti science.

but it is the left that has made it a "catch all".

It has got to the stage where the words meaning is so bent out of shape that its original meaning is almost lost.