Jon Snow on hiring a surrogate in his 70s

[HermioneKipper]

How utterly vile. What a pair of entitled arses. That poor boy.

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Who are we to say this is wrong? None of us know how long we have on the planet. If their child is wanted, loved and cared for good luck to them.

Who are we to say this is wrong? None of us know how long we have on the planet. If their child is wanted, loved and cared for good luck to them.

Good luck to them but is it good luck to the child?

You think that growing up with the guarantee your parent will die before you reach the end of your 20s is a good thing?

As two friends died last year, one aged 46 with a 13 yr old daughter and another age 49 with 17 and 19 year old sons there’s no guarantee that any one having a child will see their parents past 20. I’m sure he’s more than aware of his own mortality.

there’s no guarantee that any one having a child will see their parents past 20.

That’s not quite the same as having a rock solid guarantee that they will definitely lose their parent by that age.

Yep

like a previous poster asked, what do you suggest to women after the sacred age 42 who find themselves expecting healthy babies?

should such naturally occurring babies not exist in your short- sighted world?

do you know how many women had babies into their 40s before contraception was widely available

thought not

Look, don’t have a go at me. The last three sentences were copied and pasted from the NHS website. Rant at biology, not me.

I‘mint having a go at you at all!
im just saying that there are plenty of women having healthy babies naturally in their 40s

obviously not in this case

Like I said I am sure he’s more aware than anyone on here of his own mortality.

What age limit would you impose on society?

I was talking more about the disdain for women giving birth over 40.

What disdain? Pointing out biological reality isn’t disdain.

It speaks volumes about the society we live in that some people appear more offended by the idea of a woman getting pregnant in her 40s than by the fact that renting a woman’s womb and removing her baby hours after childbirth is legally permissible.

Why is everyone getting derailed by the age of the mother. This is a thread about a man in his 70s having a child, not a woman in her 40s. The latter seems completely reasonable, the former completely weird.

I always think these kind of men are completely self absorbed. They probably missed out parenting their first family because of focusing on themselves their career. Now they're less interested in their career, they want a new shiny toy to boost their flagging egos, hence having children in their 70s.

And yet he decided to have more children....

It's not about society imposing limits, it's about it being culturally inappropriate, rather than celebrating their creaking fertility. Society can discourage behaviour by it becoming socially unacceptable for these men to have children beyond a certain age.

The thread is also about surrogacy which I categorically disagree with. His 48 year old wife paid for the use of another woman’s body to buy a baby. Also abhorrent

Yep I’m 43 and my period is now really late this week and I’m assuming it’s just irregular but if not think we will be having a surprise no 3 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yanbu. I used to really like Jon Snow. That's yet another male celebrity who gives me the creeps now.

So at what age does it become socially unacceptable? At what age do we begin to judge? 70 is not acceptable but is 69 ok? What do we do to show our disapproval? If Jon Snow’s partner was carrying the child rather than a surrogate at what age do we question her decision to have a child? As 48 is ok what about 50, 55, 60? Jon Snow could die at the average age for a man of around 80 and this child grows up fatherless or he could make 100 and sees his son become a young man. This child is wanted and will be loved which if I had the choice of Jon Snow or some of the wastes of space that are written about on here I’d pick Mr Snow every time.

The judgment on this thread is off the scale. And I bet most of the judgiest have their own children already, having conceived easily in their 20s and 30s or whatever ages they consider socially acceptable. I'm not wild about surrogacy because I doubt in general it is done entirely freely and voluntarily. Poverty is a massive part of it for many, I imagine, though not all.

But the ages people have their children is their business and frankly, so long as they care for them, provide for them and don't abuse them, it's no one else's business. With all the hideous stories of child abuse in the news all the time, frankly Jon Snow having a baby at 70 should be the least of anyone's worries.

You don’t think bringing a child into the world when you’re likely to die before they reach adulthood is a really selfish thing to do?

Regardless of age the decision to have a child is in itself a selfish one.

Read some of the posts on MN members procreate with far worse men than one in his 70s and selfishness is one of the more endearing qualities of some of them.

But he hasn't had a baby at 70 though - he's exploited a woman and bought a baby. That's abhorrent regardless of age, but given he'll likely be dead before the baby reaches full adulthood makes it even more disgusting.

Some children are sadly neglected and abused by parents of any age, hopefully that is pretty rare.
Poor parenting at any age is less rare.

But I'm not sure thow or why either of these reasons, justify why a man in his mid 70s, who already has children and grandchildren, should think its a good idea to have another one? (By any means, although I also disagree with surrogacy)

Out of idle curiosity, why 42 specifically ?

While rare it's not impossible or unheard of for a woman to naturally have a baby at 45, and it's probably quite common for men.

Personally I wouldn't want to - having a baby at 50 sounds exhausting never mind 70 ! - but I struggle to understand why a baby at 42 is okay but not at 43 ?