To think that "Rehabilitation" is a joke, because you can't change who someone is sexually attracted to!

[BeachBlondey]

Inspired by the Gary Glitter latest story.

Why as a society, can't we accept, that you cannot fundamentally change who someone is sexually attracted to?

For example - no amount of "rehabilitation" will stop paedophiles being attracted to children.

We know that conversion therapy does not work (barbaric!)

Furthermore, you can't read people mind's, and of course they will say that they feel rehabilitated, because they know that this is their key to being released.

Further still, what happens when you ban someone from indulging in their sexual fantasies for years on end? Surely, the amount of sexual frustration and desire will build and build and build.

If a rapist has not had sex with a woman for 10 years, when he is released from prison, isn't he far more likely to be sexually frustrated and thus more likely to attack quite quickly?

If a paedophile hasn't been around children for 10 years, surely the first time he is around children, his sexual urges will go in to overdrive, probably to far more dangerous levels than ever before, because he will have an appetite that has not been sated for decades.

I am a female heterosexual woman, and no amount of "rehabilitation" forced upon me, would make me stop wanting sex with men. Nor would it magically make me fancy women. But, if I was in prison for having sex with a man, of course, I would tell the parole board that I was cured. And I'm sure that having been celibate for 10 years, the first thing I would want to do upon release would be to have sex with a man.

I'm so sick of sex offenders being released, who very quickly go on to reoffend, resulting in some poor innocent person being attacked or killed. We are constantly risking the safety of the public, under the guise of people having been rehabilitated, despite us seeing evidence to the contrary all the time.

When released prisoners reoffend, I would like to see the members of that Parole board penalised, either with being fired from their jobs, or being given monetary fines.

I realise that a big issue is space in prison. We either build more prisons, or consider medical castration maybe? We cannot keep placing the public at risk.

You've misinterpreted what she said or she's talking nonsense.

Unless she works with ALL the paedophiles in the world? Of course not. No-one actually knows who is a paedophile or not. You can't police thoughts or read people's minds.

The very nature of having a sexual attraction to children isn't something that people go around disclosing so any estimates of how many people who would fulfil the paraphilia are just a guess.

For what it's worth, I work with offenders including child sexual offenders. Most aren't assessed as being paedophiles. And my points stand, regardless of if a paedophile or not, the actions are the issue. Your posts seem to suggest that you think a paraphilia must be acted upon , that the urges are somehow not controllable by the individual.

Of course they are. We all have desires or urges probably often, that we don't act on because they are illegal and/or would cause harm to another.

An individual that knowingly causes harm to another to gratify themselves is a problem and should be dealt with appropriately. But the desires or 'urges' as you put it aren't the issue. The person is.

People don't need sex
Some men people feel so entitled they rape or harm others to meet their desire, and frame it as a need. You seem sympathetic to that.

Most people are perfectly capable of going without sex if they can't find a suitable partner who enthusiastically consents.

Incels can't get women to have sex with them because they have repulsive attitudes. It's the attitudes that make them Incels, not the lack of sex.

Agreed. I get where OP is coming from, saying she thinks child sex offenders should never be freed because the assumption is that they're paedophiles and therefore can't help themselves so have to abuse children.

But...they can not abuse children if they choose. She seems to think that convicted rapists not being able to rape in prison means they would become an uncontrolled rape machine upon release and that makes sense?

Her posts about 'we know people can't control sexual desire' and the posts about incels which she hasn't really explained are perilously close to excusing sex offending as you say. That it's some uncontrollable urge that has to be acted on if not given a legitimate outlet so the only way to stop it is to incarcerate people forever.

Which is nonsense.

Again, I’ve not suggested capital punishment so I don’t know why you keep throwing that at me.

Would you suggest this same idea of destigmatising for other crimes too? Murder, domestic violence, gang violence, carrying weapons etc? If not, why?

Because I was talking through a number of suggestions. It wasn't personal to you.

I wouldn't say those crimes carry the same stigma. There are many well-published (sometimes celebrity endorsed) programmes targeted at young boys in inner cities to prevent murder, gang crime and knife crime, for example. Which is the same thing I'm suggesting for paedophilia.

I think what most of the discussion around this shows is that as a society we don't really have the solution. Prison is a crude alternative to a solution. Probably we don't have the resources to devote to the problem so little will be achieved. And the gutter press whip up unthinking public feeling against offenders which makes governments reluctant to fund research. The whipping up can have bad consequences: I recall a paediatrician being hounded by a local mob ignorant of the English language.

I mean just last week there were people collecting for an anti-knife-crime campaign outside central London train stations.

Can you really imagine a charity collecting to help prevent paedophilia like that? They'd be beaten to within an inch of their lives within minutes.

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Being a rapist is not a sexual orientation. You shouldn't have brought them into this conversation.

I don't believe paedophiles should be released though. You cannot rehabilitate a paedophile.

But therein lies the problem. What do we do with them?

You cannot change who someone is attracted to, but actually sexual assaults on children hapoenfor many reasons.

One of those is that the person is solely attracted to children. This is actually the least likely reason. It cannot be rehabilitated, however there are programmes such as the very successful German one, which actually advertise on TV for people experiencing sexual urges toward children to come forward for help. They cannot learn how not to find children sexually attractive, any more than you can reach someone not to be straight or gay. You can however work with them to help reinforce the principles of consent. To appreciate that children cannot consent, that they cannot impose themselves on others and teach how to deal with secual frustration. These programmes are very successful.

Then there are the ones who will use anyone, sometimes anything for sexual gratification, just because they can. This is often about power rather than attraction. It is sexy to this offender that their victim is powerless. If this is actually their kick, and they need fear/ powerlessness to get off, there is not a great deal to be done other than keep them away from powerless people, ie, in prison.

There are other kinds of offender too. Like everything else in life, there is no blanket answer to anything.

Snugglemonkey · Today 20:40

It cannot be rehabilitated, however there are programmes such as the very successful German one, which actually advertise on TV for people experiencing sexual urges toward children to come forward for help.

Do you know how successful that is? Even if it is only a few percent, it'd be worth spending millions on it.

....however there are programmes such as the very successful German one....

Is it this one you are referring to? I haven't been able to find any stats about how successful it is and I would question the veracity of any claims given the anonymous nature of the enrollment. If a person doesn't have to give their name or address then how would anyone know if they had previously offended or offended after they left the programme?

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/16/how-germany-treats-paedophiles-before-they-offend

There is a radical difference between the treatment offered to paedophiles in Germany and that in other countries. Strict patient-doctor confidentiality rules mean the men can be assured they will not be reported to the police. They would only be excluded from the programme if there was an active prosecution against them.

“I did not have to give my name and address, and I was given a pin number to connect me to my diagnosis data,” Weber, his chosen pseudonym, told the Guardian in a burger bar in central Berlin.

Those who run Dunkelfeld insist that the confidentiality clause is central to the unique project’s success and also accounts for its popularity.

Germany has an interesting history with treating paedophiles and sex offenders....

The Kentler Experiment was horrific.

unherd.com/2022/01/inside-germanys-paedophile-experiment/

They also think it's reasonable to give convicted rapists access to brothels.

reduxx.info/germany-convicted-rapists-are-being-offered-access-to-brothels-as-rehabilitation-therapy-2/