To think that "Rehabilitation" is a joke, because you can't change who someone is sexually attracted to!

[BeachBlondey]

Inspired by the Gary Glitter latest story.

Why as a society, can't we accept, that you cannot fundamentally change who someone is sexually attracted to?

For example - no amount of "rehabilitation" will stop paedophiles being attracted to children.

We know that conversion therapy does not work (barbaric!)

Furthermore, you can't read people mind's, and of course they will say that they feel rehabilitated, because they know that this is their key to being released.

Further still, what happens when you ban someone from indulging in their sexual fantasies for years on end? Surely, the amount of sexual frustration and desire will build and build and build.

If a rapist has not had sex with a woman for 10 years, when he is released from prison, isn't he far more likely to be sexually frustrated and thus more likely to attack quite quickly?

If a paedophile hasn't been around children for 10 years, surely the first time he is around children, his sexual urges will go in to overdrive, probably to far more dangerous levels than ever before, because he will have an appetite that has not been sated for decades.

I am a female heterosexual woman, and no amount of "rehabilitation" forced upon me, would make me stop wanting sex with men. Nor would it magically make me fancy women. But, if I was in prison for having sex with a man, of course, I would tell the parole board that I was cured. And I'm sure that having been celibate for 10 years, the first thing I would want to do upon release would be to have sex with a man.

I'm so sick of sex offenders being released, who very quickly go on to reoffend, resulting in some poor innocent person being attacked or killed. We are constantly risking the safety of the public, under the guise of people having been rehabilitated, despite us seeing evidence to the contrary all the time.

When released prisoners reoffend, I would like to see the members of that Parole board penalised, either with being fired from their jobs, or being given monetary fines.

I realise that a big issue is space in prison. We either build more prisons, or consider medical castration maybe? We cannot keep placing the public at risk.

No we don't. It's been suggested that the between 1% and 5% of men may at least have tendencies towards it, if not a full-blown disorder.

5% would be incredibly high if true. That's 1 in 20.

I suspect there are quite large numbers of boys and men out there with the paraphilia who have never acted on it. It's impossible to know for sure however.

You might not be able to change it, but you can choose not to act on it, being a human and in control of your actions and your choices.

There was a very interesting programme in prison in either the late 70s or early 80s. It was effective, but sadly discontinued due to lack of funds.
The men concerned were hard violent sex offenders. What was found in each case, was that each and every one of these men had been sexually abused as a child. The abuse they'd suffered had been suppressed, normalised and internalised and, ultimately, denied.
Only when it was brought to the surface over a long period was their suffering treated and they no longer posed any threat.

Fwiw, I was seriously sexually abused as a child, to the extent of being very painfully vaginally penetrated before I could talk. It was my late mother and her brother acting together. She also procured her sister who was sent by her mother to masturbate the manager of the football club over the road. She was so scared she was like her mother/sister she never had children. The thing that saved me was that I suppressed all memories of this very early abusé until I was 45, the rest I always remembered.

My late mil was a victim of incest by her brother, as a little boy my xh had cystitis and she rubbed his penis better. WTF! It's possible that he, in his turn, touched dd inappropriately.

I don't think castration would work. What would happen next? Cutting off hands? Tongues? Stopping leering ? It's a pernicious problem and, sadly, I can't see a solution, except perhaps the use of therapeutic programmes like the one discontinued over 40 years ago. We've had Childline since then, but sod all else has changed.

why is it more likely that the ones without records have not been caught, rather than have never offended? I think you are being very judgemental

we are not in control of our sexual feelings, only of our behaviour

many paedophiles never offend

More so than raping a child?

I believe there are peaodphiles who do not act on their attraction to children...however, the ones that do should be chemically castrated. I am surprised we dont do this?

Exactly this! I think you've missed something key somewhere OP.

Nobody releases rapists with the expectation that they will never have sex ever again, but with the hope that given their rehabilitation they will only have consensual sex in the future.

Pedophiles are slightly different in that obviously they are released with the expectation that they will never have sex with under age children (or consume or make CSA porn).

Some might be helped with therapy to the extent that it is just one part of their sexuality and they can ignore it and get fulfilment (sexual or otherwise) elsewhere. Others might very well continue to be attracted to underage children for the rest of their lives but (as grim as it is to think about) if they confine this solely to masturbatory fantasies or role play with adult consenting women, it's not a crime and they could be safe to be within the community.

If you never released anyone from prison because you couldn't be sure they wouldn't reoffend, you'd never release anyone from prison, ever, because you can never be 100% sure.

It's not as if they just ask the prisoners politely and take their answers at face value, it's an in depth assessment with the input of trained professionals!

Jesus.

What’s with MN these days?

Why do you think it’s a binary “top trumps” type thing??? How totally unthinking.

Castration is offered in the USA in some states

All excuses. Girls are sexually abused far more frequently and don’t go on to sexually abuse children in the numbers men do, and anyway, how do you know these men weren’t lying for sympathy? There is no excuse and I have zero sympathy for them.

We don't have the "eye-for-an-eye" style of justice in the UK. People do many barbaric and awful things, but our laws punish them humanely.

So when women claim they were sexually abused, we must believe them. When men claim they were sexually abused, they are lying. Alright then..

Because if you think medically castrating a child rapist is barbaric, then obviously there is a top trumps at play as you’re leaving him capable of raping another child. I was abused as a child by my father, so yes, this subject does upset me because it’s something you NEVER fully recover from.

@Bunce1

There is nothing critical or sensible about your thinking.

There is nothing barbaric in itself about chemical suppression of sexual desire for men who abuse children. Their libido is not the most important matter in the equation...

There is also no parallel whatsoever to be made with the example you are giving of women and sterilisation.

We’re talking about men in prison for raping kids and you want me to give them the benefit of the doubt??

They’re rarely punished at all actually. Do you think our system is perfect and needs no adjustments, or is it possible to discuss other ideas?

Isn't there some lobbying to get MAPs (minor attracted persons) included in the TQIAA+++alphabet umbrella, if they aren't already?

MAPs are misunderstood and 'suffer' stigmatisation from society and from their own internal feelings, and we should all accept and celebrate them and realise that children want to have sexual relationships with adults.... apparently.

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because in many cases this increases violent tendencies

Exactly how do you think dismissing their experiences as lies will help us prevent offences in the future? If we can't identify men who present the biggest risk, how do we prevent harm?

By speaking to sex offenders to find out if there are any common themes in their past, help can be targeted at high-risk groups before any crimes are committed. They get the help they need and they don't hurt anyone in future. Win-win, surely?

But nah, much more fun to dismiss them as liars and refuse to learn from them and help prevent kids being hurt in future.

If a paedophile never offends and never comes to the attention of the authorities, then this thread isn’t about them, is it?

I shall be as judgmental an untoward as I bloody well like about paedophiles,.

why are you so invested in defending paedophiles?

There is no such thing as a perfect legal system, because it's a human invention and humans aren't perfect.

But no, I would not argue for a system of capital punishment which must be more barbaric than the crime committed.

because many paedophiles who never offend, never do anything to hurt anybody, read threads like this, here or on other social media, and are made to feel like they are the scum of the Earth and the most vile and hated class of humanity, when they have never done anything to hurt anybody,

How is that fair?

I'm a 55 year old woman who finds 22 year old fit handsome military men very attractive indeed. I don't sexually assault them though - I manage to refrain from doing that.

It's nothing to do with being attracted to someone. As a PP said it's about power and control.

Thank god he's back in prison. The only surprising thing about it is that no-one is surprised!

I’m not saying we shouldn’t talk to them, I’m saying that taking everything they say as fact, isn’t sensible, nor is painting them as a victim when women don’t behave the same way. If you believed rapists, they’re all innocent for example, some child abusers convince themselves the child wanted it, or even seduced them - these are not rational, trustworthy people in most cases.

I didn’t mention capital punishment??