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To think that "Rehabilitation" is a joke, because you can't change who someone is sexually attracted to!

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BeachBlondey · 16/03/2023 10:27

Inspired by the Gary Glitter latest story.

Why as a society, can't we accept, that you cannot fundamentally change who someone is sexually attracted to?

For example - no amount of "rehabilitation" will stop paedophiles being attracted to children.

We know that conversion therapy does not work (barbaric!)

Furthermore, you can't read people mind's, and of course they will say that they feel rehabilitated, because they know that this is their key to being released.

Further still, what happens when you ban someone from indulging in their sexual fantasies for years on end? Surely, the amount of sexual frustration and desire will build and build and build.

If a rapist has not had sex with a woman for 10 years, when he is released from prison, isn't he far more likely to be sexually frustrated and thus more likely to attack quite quickly?

If a paedophile hasn't been around children for 10 years, surely the first time he is around children, his sexual urges will go in to overdrive, probably to far more dangerous levels than ever before, because he will have an appetite that has not been sated for decades.

I am a female heterosexual woman, and no amount of "rehabilitation" forced upon me, would make me stop wanting sex with men. Nor would it magically make me fancy women. But, if I was in prison for having sex with a man, of course, I would tell the parole board that I was cured. And I'm sure that having been celibate for 10 years, the first thing I would want to do upon release would be to have sex with a man.

I'm so sick of sex offenders being released, who very quickly go on to reoffend, resulting in some poor innocent person being attacked or killed. We are constantly risking the safety of the public, under the guise of people having been rehabilitated, despite us seeing evidence to the contrary all the time.

When released prisoners reoffend, I would like to see the members of that Parole board penalised, either with being fired from their jobs, or being given monetary fines.

I realise that a big issue is space in prison. We either build more prisons, or consider medical castration maybe? We cannot keep placing the public at risk.

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Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:18

openingbat · 16/03/2023 15:11

Tough. They should consider that before they rape women and children.

Exactly.

BeachBlondey · 16/03/2023 15:18

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 13:14

because many paedophiles who never offend, never do anything to hurt anybody, read threads like this, here or on other social media, and are made to feel like they are the scum of the Earth and the most vile and hated class of humanity, when they have never done anything to hurt anybody,

How is that fair?

Fucking. Hell.

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Always4Brenner · 16/03/2023 15:19

Bookworm20 · 16/03/2023 11:13

Protecting children and not the offender?

Anyone who can hurt a child in that way, even once, is beyond rehabilitation. There is something fundamentally wrong with them that cannot be cured by a stint in jail. It wasn't an 'accidental mistake'. A thief, drug user for example does have hope of being rehabiliated. A person who would do that to a child? Never.

They ruined that childs life. So the alternative to 'rehabilitation'. Keep them locked up for life or better yet end their life. I have no sympathy for anyone who can do that to a child. Zero. Whatever their reason and however sorry they appear to be. What is the actual point of them?

My view may be very controversial, but even medical castration is not enough. if someone sexually abuses a child, they should be physically castrated and left to bleed to death. But we can't do that, so we 'rehabilitate them' and then let them out to do it again. And ruin another innocent childs life. Because 99% of them, do do it again.

Whatever the alternative, letting them out to reoffend is NOT a solution.

Another suitable punishment for these that hurt children is dipped in surgical acid an inch a day. They are scum end off.

Always4Brenner · 16/03/2023 15:19

Always4Brenner · 16/03/2023 15:19

Another suitable punishment for these that hurt children is dipped in surgical acid an inch a day. They are scum end off.

Sorry sulphuric acid.

BeachBlondey · 16/03/2023 15:20

Sunriseinwonderland · 16/03/2023 12:24

I worked with hardcore paedophiles for 7 years in the prison service. I personally do not believe that they can be rehabilitated.

This is very interesting!

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notthisagainforest · 16/03/2023 15:20

TheVolturi · 16/03/2023 10:35

Interested to hear what you think should be done instead op.

She already said. Build more prisons or chemical castration

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:21

BeachBlondey · 16/03/2023 15:18

Fucking. Hell.

Do you have no empathy at all?

Are you completely incapable of imagining what it is like to be in that situation?

It could be you, or your child, or your sister

notthisagainforest · 16/03/2023 15:23

Some are castrated out of choice to stop themselves from hurting others

Popplesareus · 16/03/2023 15:24

Gary Glitter didn't go to prison for being a paedophile. He went to prison for sexually abusing children. You can be a paedophile and not commit the criminal offences that result from acting on your sexual desires.

People manage it every day. I'm a heterosexual woman attracted to adult males. I manage to get through every day without forcing myself on any adult males.

Endlesssummer2022 · 16/03/2023 15:26

stbrandonsboat · 16/03/2023 14:23

Put them on SSRIs. They kill all desire stone dead in most cases. Other drugs do the same. Keep them on strict curfew via GPS. Restrict their internet access etc.

This.

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 16/03/2023 15:27

Secret Life the channel four drama from 2007 addresses these questions. It tends to agree that there's not much to be done beyond helping these men sit on their urges.

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:30

Popplesareus · 16/03/2023 15:24

Gary Glitter didn't go to prison for being a paedophile. He went to prison for sexually abusing children. You can be a paedophile and not commit the criminal offences that result from acting on your sexual desires.

People manage it every day. I'm a heterosexual woman attracted to adult males. I manage to get through every day without forcing myself on any adult males.

exactly. Being a paedophile and being an offender are two completely different things.

Many people who sexually abuse children are not actually paedophiles, just sadistic bullies who revel in power

BeachBlondey · 16/03/2023 15:31

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:21

Do you have no empathy at all?

Are you completely incapable of imagining what it is like to be in that situation?

It could be you, or your child, or your sister

You should change your user name to Devil's Advocate, because you're just being silly now.

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Endlesssummer2022 · 16/03/2023 15:36

‘And if you realised you had paedophilic feelings, which, by the way, could happen to you in the near future, the only option you could see as available to you would be suicide?’

What the actual fuck? how many people just wake up with paedo thoughts? You’re making it sound as though this is a run of the mill thing that can happen to anyone at anytime like losing their job? That’s ridiculous. I can 1000% guarantee it will never happen to me. Paedo’s are deeply deeply disturbed people who cannot be cured.

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:38

Endlesssummer2022 · 16/03/2023 15:36

‘And if you realised you had paedophilic feelings, which, by the way, could happen to you in the near future, the only option you could see as available to you would be suicide?’

What the actual fuck? how many people just wake up with paedo thoughts? You’re making it sound as though this is a run of the mill thing that can happen to anyone at anytime like losing their job? That’s ridiculous. I can 1000% guarantee it will never happen to me. Paedo’s are deeply deeply disturbed people who cannot be cured.

no, you cant guarantee it will never happen to you

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:38

BeachBlondey · 16/03/2023 15:31

You should change your user name to Devil's Advocate, because you're just being silly now.

No I am not, I have done a lot of work in suicide prevention, and have spoken to people in this situation many times

Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:39

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:21

Do you have no empathy at all?

Are you completely incapable of imagining what it is like to be in that situation?

It could be you, or your child, or your sister

Do you have this much empathy for the victims and how it impacts them for the rest of their lives, or is it all reserved for those mythical pure and innocent paedos that have never even looked at a picture of a child being abused?

Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:40

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:38

No I am not, I have done a lot of work in suicide prevention, and have spoken to people in this situation many times

Ha!!! You have NO idea of they’ve offended or not, like they’d tell you anyway! Of course they’d tell you they’ve never done anything 🙄

Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:42

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:30

exactly. Being a paedophile and being an offender are two completely different things.

Many people who sexually abuse children are not actually paedophiles, just sadistic bullies who revel in power

Anyone who can get a boner over abusing a child or baby, is a fucking paedo. What the hell is wrong with you?

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:42

Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:39

Do you have this much empathy for the victims and how it impacts them for the rest of their lives, or is it all reserved for those mythical pure and innocent paedos that have never even looked at a picture of a child being abused?

these people are not mythical, they are real, and they do not have any victims

Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:42

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:42

these people are not mythical, they are real, and they do not have any victims

You mean they’ve never been caught.

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:43

Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:40

Ha!!! You have NO idea of they’ve offended or not, like they’d tell you anyway! Of course they’d tell you they’ve never done anything 🙄

some may have, but I take them at face value if I am trying to talk them out of suicide. Some definitely haven't.

Naunet · 16/03/2023 15:44

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:43

some may have, but I take them at face value if I am trying to talk them out of suicide. Some definitely haven't.

How many tell you they have abused a child? What’s the percentage?

Nimbostratus100 · 16/03/2023 15:46

I am leaving this thread, because there is no discussing this with people who are so hell bent on waving their pitchforks that they simply don't care if they are waving them at innocent people.

Any one of you could be in that situation

Any one of you might have friends or family in that situation, but they are unlikely to ever tell you.

A lot of you are very ignorant indeed of the difference between being a paedophile and being a child abuser

So I am hiding this thread now, you just carry on being ignorant, and waving your pitchforks around, there is clearly nothing I can do about it

BeachBlondey · 16/03/2023 15:46

Popplesareus · 16/03/2023 15:24

Gary Glitter didn't go to prison for being a paedophile. He went to prison for sexually abusing children. You can be a paedophile and not commit the criminal offences that result from acting on your sexual desires.

People manage it every day. I'm a heterosexual woman attracted to adult males. I manage to get through every day without forcing myself on any adult males.

I wonder though Popplesareus - you, as a heterosexual woman, who is attracted to adult males, have no shortage of ways to fulfil your sexual desires, with no adverse consequences, because what you are doing is 100% legal. As a woman also, the chances are, that you could easily have sex with a different man every night. Your desires and urges, thoroughly quenched.

A person who has desires which are not accepted, and more than that, are illegal and mean jail time, could I'm sure suppress those urges for a while - but for how long? Not life.

And what about the Incels - similar theme - they can't get women to have sex with them.

Or members of certain religious groups who are meant to be celibate - how often do you hear of sex rings going on within them, or cults, that always (quelle surprise), seem to sexually deviant.

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