How many more of these sick people will use this pretence?

[Logicoutofthewindow]

So yet again a man who has attacked girls has used the 'I identify as a woman' as a way of minimising sentence, an excuse, attempting to gain access to women and girls, or whatever reason he (I refuse to call it a woman) and he has to be pandered to because .... well everyone can self identify now and well TWAW.

We never used to have this mess. There have always been a small number of individuals who would feel differently. Now there appears to be a growing number of men who identify as women who are sex offenders.

How many more will use this sick pretence?

Should we accept this man as a woman?

Or am I being unreasonable and say there needs to be more checking before we blithely accept every man that says he feels like a woman now?

What do you think?

@Weddingpuzzle I'm so sorry & enraged by what happened to you.

And I agree with everything you have said, there is a huge safeguarding issue in schools for especially for females.

Yes. Thank goodness WeddingPuzzle's DD has a sensible mother. Not all kids will be so fortunate.

its awful isnt it - i fear for our children - i really really do.

This needs to be often repeated Richard.

Just going to post this here, sometimes we just need to hear the incisive words from Germaine. Even if you don't agree with all she says, she does cut through

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I really feel for you Wedding Puzzle. Unfortunately this is the consequence of well meaning teachers allowing social transition of children too young to understand.

This poor boy and your dd and friends has been gaslit for years with everyone agreeing that yes, he is a girl and now as puberty begins to kick in it has set him up for a massive problem as he can’t fight his biology and it will become ever more obvious that he is a boy with all that entails.

I don’t know if the parents have done this because they have been coerced into it by the threat that their child will commit suicide or if they have other reasons. It is a concern that he is so focused on dating and boyfriends at such a young age. Child sexual abuse is too common among children with gender dysphoria as it can trigger a desire to escape their body so you are very sensible to keep an extremely close eye on them.

My dds have male friends but never played in their bedrooms with closed doors with the boys so I never had to think about that but is that a rule you have?

I echo the excellent advice to treat him as you would any other male friend and additionally keep a close eye as unfortunately your dd may not have the same natural boundaries with him as she would other male friends. His early focus on relationships and frustration about being rejected is a red flag to me.

I think your instinct is right - I’d rather be called names and have a safe daughter who doesn’t go through what you did. Testosterone surges in teenage are a powerful thing. I hope you can find a way to get things clear with your daughter.

Obviously I am not suggesting that this child will do anything to your daughter but we have no idea which male will turn out to be the rapist so we have to take precautions with them all.

Excellent post.

Thanks all for your support. It was a worry that people would vilify me for being worried about the risk from a child but hard personal experience means I know issues with sexual harm start long before people think they do. The biggest perpertrators of sexual assault are actually teenage and young adult males and the biggest group of victims are teenage and young adult women. Schools trusting that trans children are immune to being perpetrators of sexual harm in order to 'be kind' terrifies me.

I do think that organisations seem happy to sacrifice the safety of our children at the alter of 'inclusivity at all costs'. A pandora's box has been opened up and you aren't even allowed to question it.

Weddingpuzzle

You might find these resources useful:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

www.transgendertrend.com/

In most things there is nuance.

There is no nuance here.

If you don't want to go to a male jail, don't commit crimes.

And if you rape someone, you don't get to pretend you are a woman.

I would expect that none of those charged or convicted of rape have a gender recognition certificate, and so a simple law that says that your legal gender is what you are charged with would work in 99.99% of cases. Assuming self-ID to gain a gender recognition certificate never comes in.

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.

This is such a sad read- for you, for your dD and for the trans child who may well be gay, and if they were able to accept that fact would have a much better chance of finding a boyfriend one day. As it is they are looking for boys who want to be with girls, not boys who are attracted to other boys, and will inevitably be disappointed.

You are right to protect your DD, though, and your own experience is bound to be influential. A very difficult situation for everyone concerned.

@WigglyWigglyWiggly how do we tell the difference between a male claiming a trans identity and a male pretending to have a trans identity? I thought we had to believe people when they said they were trans? So therEfore this twatstick and IB are both trans and if TW are women according to you, they should be in womens prison. Is that what you are advocating for? No males with or without a trans identity should be in womens spaces. They are not women and do not belong there.

@Weddingpuzzle I don't know the answer, but I am so glad that she has you as a mother rather than a handmaiden never ever considering the downside to just acceptance that a boy says he is a girl and so he is (the deeper voice and stubble are showing him growing into a man, he will never be a woman but is failed by the current push by some to get children to believe they are 'born' into the wrong body).

I feel for your daughter and you 🌺and sad that people will vilify you for merely expressing your concerns.

Just wanted to add my 💐 for @Weddingpuzzle. What a difficult situation for you, your family and the confused children sold a lie. I hope some of the sensible advice shared here is useful to you.

I just wanted to respond to you and say well done. What an amazing parent you are, you are doing exactly the right thing protecting your DD. Please be confident in what you are doing because you are doing exactly the right thing.

@WigglyWigglyWiggly

I can’t understand this argument - nurses? Moms in play areas? I mean seriously wtf how is that the same

This is the conundrum we face. Therefore no biological men in women's safe spaces. We use biological sex as fact and people live their lives in whatever gender they chose but when it comes to facts sex is a fact and cannot be changed.

In the meantime, the men posing as women need to be called out and the legal system shouldn't bow down to them and call them 'Miss, she, her' as in the case in the article. He committed a crime that only a man can commit using an organ that only a man has, a penis.

Logicoutofthewindow · Today 13:26

This is the conundrum we face. Therefore no biological men in women's safe spaces

It's the simplest way, isn't it? A blunt instrument, but if one woman is disadvantaged because another says, "But my friend Tracey, who used to be Tommy, is lovely!" it's too many. And the other side is that, if women are too intimidated to say,

"Hang on, this is the Ladies - Men's toilets that way," and are scared, assaulted, or worse, just because nobody feels they have the right to say, "No," then what sort of monstrous situation is it?

This ⬆

We know that not all men are rapists - but because a small proportion are, we have always had sex-segregated spaces.

Similarly doubtless not al, TW are perverts - but because a proportion are, we need to maintain those SEX-segregated spaces.