How many more of these sick people will use this pretence?

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So yet again a man who has attacked girls has used the 'I identify as a woman' as a way of minimising sentence, an excuse, attempting to gain access to women and girls, or whatever reason he (I refuse to call it a woman) and he has to be pandered to because .... well everyone can self identify now and well TWAW.

We never used to have this mess. There have always been a small number of individuals who would feel differently. Now there appears to be a growing number of men who identify as women who are sex offenders.

How many more will use this sick pretence?

Should we accept this man as a woman?

Or am I being unreasonable and say there needs to be more checking before we blithely accept every man that says he feels like a woman now?

What do you think?

Society knows - the problem is that too many people in power have jumped on this very lucrative bandwagon, or see it as a route to getting more votes, etc. Some institutions have TW in positions of influence. They have been infiltrating organisations for years and are now well entrenched, and it is only when a high-profile case hits the headlines that people begin to wake up to it.

When attempts are made to make the truth known the TRAs shut them down - No Debate, Transphobia etc. Just this week a group of worried parents in Edinburgh who wanted to have a meeting regarding what is happening in schools were met with a demand from the council for £600 for private security to ensure their meeting is safe.

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You'd think that it would be the job of the police to ensure that violence was prevented - but sadly many police forces are "captured". Despite everything our foremothers have fought for, womanhood has never been under greater threat - and government organisations are aiding and abetting it, as are many women who say "I don't mind sharing intimate spaces with a stranger" and think that because they don't mind, nobody else should.

I am terrified for the future our daughters face.

Yes, we need a way to distinguish between genuine transgender people and those who just pretend for nefarious purposes.

Like, I don't know, the necessity for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to obtain a GRC?

Re: prisons. There is an argument that men who have had transition surgery and do not have penises - whatever I might think about that - don’t belong in mens prisons. Whether they belong in womens prisons is another discussion.

Men with penises who think ‘woman’ is a wig and pink leggings, never belong in womens prisons. I don’t care if they are vulnerable. The prison system is FULL of vulnerable, traumatised men - men with learning disabilities, men with serious MH issues, physically disabled men etc. If there are problems with the mens prison system, deal with them. Don’t dump it at the door of vulnerable women.

On the other hand, someone who has been living as a woman for a long period and isn't using it as a ploy to avoid a nastier prison, and who has no history of sexual offending - they'd have an awful time in men's prison, I don't have a problem with someone like that being in a women's prison.

I used to agree with this, but so many rapes and sexual assault do not end up with a prosecution, never mind conviction, so no formal history of sexual offences doesn't protect females. Male offenders should all be in the male estate with separate wings for vulnerable prisoners.

The clue is in their knickers.

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I'm old school so you're either a man or a woman. I don't pander to all this non binary nonsense either, so if someone wants me to call she/he a them then I would just ignore it.

I don’t blame Transwomen for the actions of perverts like this at all. I am just not sure how we can safeguard against them if we accept that a TW is a woman purely because they say so. If we accept that premise then these perverts ARE Transwomen and so we have to be cautious about allowing all TW into women only spaces.
If there was a solution for allowing TW to access womens spaces with an absolute guarantee they are no danger either physically or psychologically to born women then I would welcome them in. But that is an impossibility
TW offend at the same rate as men (higher when it comes to sexual crimes) so like other men they can’t be allowed access to potential vulnerable (or any other) women with no safeguards
Its NATW but we don’t know WHICH ones, so they all have to respect our boundaries and if they want to be angry at anyone be angry at the pervs not the GC feminists

What's the difference between a man who 'genuinely' pretends to be a woman because he believes he should be one, and a man who 'pretends' to pretend to be a woman? How do you tell the difference? In what way is a man a woman just because he thinks (or says) he is? Why should society accept that a man can be a woman, even though literally every single person on the planet knows that it is impossible to change sex, and that no human has ever done so? What does a 'transwoman' have in common with women that he does not also have in common with other men?

It is a nonsense to suggest that a man can be a woman. Everyone knows this. It is just that some people are willing to argue to the ends of the earth that, regardless, men should have what they want.

I actually disagree. It's not a trans thread. It's a thread on a man who raped a woman and now pretends to identify as a woman to get a lighter sentence (or something). People who are truly trans should really distance themselves from this shit. I don't mean they need to speak out or hold protests alone the lines of "not in my name" but I don't think they should try to support this man's right to be treated as a woman. It doesn't further trans rights. On the contrary. Men like this are a threat to women, trans women and trans men. We are all in the same boat.

Maybe we should say penis holders should be treated the same as other penis holders especially if they have used their penis to commit a crime.

Pronouns- They are still biologically a man so should be in a men's prison, if he doesn't like it then don't commit a crime.

It seems some are trying to speak out, but are met with the same violence that women face @Daffodilled

www.skynews.com.au/opinion/outsiders/trans-activists-protest-like-a-pack-of-enraged-clowns/video/d4db7001cafeb0dc17c8aeac30de6d60

"“They were so hostile that a trans woman who happens to be conservative and was there to protest both sides … told me she did not feel safe standing with the trans activists,” Ms Panahi said."

But genuinely dysmorphic people need to speak out because the TRAs do not have their interests at heart.

There have always been people uncomfortable with their sexed bodies - sadly it is a fact of life. There is nothing to stop them from living as they wish, but no-one changes sex, ever. That is another fact of life as emphasised by Sir Rober Winston some time ago on Question Time.

It will do us all good to destroy gender stereotyping - but that has nothing to do with changing sex.

Kristine Harrison (sp?) is a “moderate” TW, she has received a lot of hate.
I heard her speak once and met her afterwards - she described how she was accused of being a “Kapo”. - which is what the Jewish people who assisted the guards in the 1940s work/extermination camps were called.

Well said.

In fact, men like this are a threat to women, to transpeople of both sexes, and to gay people of both sexes. And they are a threat to heterosexual men, too, because they are destroying the safety and happiness of their families; their daughters (and sons), wives and mothers.

This affects every one of us, but many people are either unaware it is happening, or can't see the threat to themselves.

Trans women are women. Men who pretend to be trans women for the reasons you’ve outlined in the OP are not women and they are not trans women either.

You're essentially saying the same as Sturgeon when she couldn't bring herself to describe Graham as a transwoman but tied herself in knots by referring to him as "the individual", "the rapist".

In other words, the "good ones" are transwomen, but the "bad ones" aren't.

No, that's just not workable.

@CluelessInThe21st mentioned a simple solution:
"Maybe we should say penis holders should be treated the same as other penis holders especially if they have used their penis to commit a crime."

No, transwomen are NOT women, they are transwomen they are part of the male sex class. It is impossible to change sex.

How do you know that men such as the one referred to in this thread is pretending? Is it not acceptance without exception and everyone is who they say they are?

What are the criteria applied to determine the real from the pretenders? How does one know the difference?

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If a man wants to change his gender to TW then he should go down the whole surgery route or at least be in the process of having the surgery done.

You cannot require someone to mutilate themselves. You can require them to use the prison that corresponds with their sex. Simples.

trans women are women @WigglyWigglyWiggly why?

If I decide I am an airline pilot and dress up in an airline pilots uniform, can I then demand I am employed as one?

It has been known for a very long time that in males, paraphilias tend to cluster.

This means that if a male has one paraphilia, eg zoophilia, he is more likely to have other paraphilias too, eg paedophilia/necrophilia/extreme BDSM etc. We can see this in criminal court cases and statistics. If you look into a case where a man has been caught downloading child exploitation material, it’s very rarely confined to just that - usually there is also bestiality porn, extreme BDSM porn, and all sorts of other illegal types of porn in the mix.

Autogynephilia is also a paraphilia; it is where a male is sexually aroused at the thought of dressing/acting/being a woman. As such, it also tends to cluster with other paraphilias, and I strongly suspect this is why we see so many “transwomen” paedophiles and rapists in the news. An example of this would be David Challenor, a man with autogynephilia, autopaedophilia, paedophilia and sadism paraphilias, who held a young girl captive in his attic and sexually tortured her whilst he dressed as a little girl wearing a nappy: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/coventry-captive-girl-attic-torture-den-david-challenor-coventry-a8502991.html?amp

This dynamic plays out in the statistics. In the UK, for every 1 million women, 3 women are currently incarcerated for sex crimes. For men, that figure rises to 395 per million. For males who say they identify as women, that number rises to an incredible 1916 per million currently imprisoned for sex crimes.

Of course, not all people who identify as trans are sex criminals - the majority of them are not. Not all males who identify as women/non-binary are autogynephiles, either. But there is a large enough number who are that we should have very strong safeguards in place, and allow no males at all, no matter how they identify, into spaces where women are vulnerable, such as prisons.

And that needs to be a lot stricter than it is now. There needs to be months of therapy, signed off by two doctors etc. we should be treating the psychological illness. Like anyone else with a psychological problem society should treat them with compassion, but that should no necessitate making women more vulnerable.

But there also has to be an acceptable that it is impossible to become a woman or indeed a man. That was decided at conception. At what point has society become so fucked up that mentioning simple universal biological truths it seem as a hate crime.

There are circumstances where it is important to treat people according to their sex. And sex is immutable.

Every woman should be asking everyone who comes to the door at their local elections to define woman. Any answer other than adult female human should be shot down and it made clear that they won’t be getting your vote.

every other right and issue women face are inseparably linked to this point. If you can’t define a woman they cease to exist in policy. Any woman’s policy inc men.

Feminism cannot be reconciled with pandering to men, putting their needs over women’s. We need to fight back

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According to the definition, anyone who says they are a transwoman IS a transwoman. So it is impossible to be a man ‘pretending’ to be a transwoman because his very act of declaring himself to be a woman (or transwoman) means that he is a 100% fully formed genuine 100% transwoman.

Nicola Sturgeon and Humza Yousaf were totally invalidating Isla Brysons trans identity by accusing him of making it up. There is no objective test for a trans identity other than self declaration so how can it be challenged?

You can’t ‘gatekeep’ trans by saying that you are not allowed to be trans if you are a rapist - again, that is invalidating a trans identity and is transphobic.

This is the reason why we need to maintain single else’s spaces and services based on sex.

This double rapist is currently out on bail. He is walking the streets of Bristol. With the self id policies introduced in many places he is perfectly entitled to access any women’s space or service, even a women’s rape counselling group (btw many men have a fetish for listening to women’s accounts if being raped).

Many people still want self id to be made law so even the spaces that have resisted pressure to have self id policies are forced to allow him in.

We can’t allow this.

According to what definition? 😂

Another thought I just had about this case

In the article, it says that his penis which he used to rape the woman was referred to as “her penis” throughout the court case. The judge also used female pronouns for him throughout the case.

In essence, this rapist man declared an absurdity, ie that he was suddenly a woman because he felt like it, and the entire legal system bowed down to him and declared that they believed the absurd thing he was saying, with no proof necessary and no questioning of it.

Meanwhile, the rape victim arrives at court not being immediately believed about her claim that he raped her. She must be questioned and submit evidence to prove that it happened. She is asked why she “didn’t try to fight ‘her’ [him] off” whilst he was raping her.

Before the case has even begun, the legal system has essentially already sent the victim a message: we intrinsically believe what your rapist says about himself and will pander to his whims, but we do not believe what you say and you have to prove it. They begin proceedings on this incredibly uneven footing.