How many more of these sick people will use this pretence?

[Logicoutofthewindow]

So yet again a man who has attacked girls has used the 'I identify as a woman' as a way of minimising sentence, an excuse, attempting to gain access to women and girls, or whatever reason he (I refuse to call it a woman) and he has to be pandered to because .... well everyone can self identify now and well TWAW.

We never used to have this mess. There have always been a small number of individuals who would feel differently. Now there appears to be a growing number of men who identify as women who are sex offenders.

How many more will use this sick pretence?

Should we accept this man as a woman?

Or am I being unreasonable and say there needs to be more checking before we blithely accept every man that says he feels like a woman now?

What do you think?

@Logicoutofthewindow YANBU. As my dad used to say "a one eyed man who is blind in one eye could have seen this coming a mile off". It completely sickens me and scares me in equal measure. I really don't know who I can possibly vote for in the next election as no party seems to offer women hope. I wouldn't be surprised to see ex-popstar GG (currently sent back to jail for breaking conditions) suddenly deciding he is in fact a woman to get a cushier ride in jail.

No, it’s another thread about a woman who has been attacked by a man pretending to be a woman.

Where are all the genuine trans people in all of this? Why aren’t they up in arms about people pretending to be trans to get off serious sex offences and prey on women and girls?

I do agree with you @Daffodilled
But the argument someone put to me is: we don't hold all men accountable for the actions of male criminals, we don't hold all women accountable for the actions of female criminals, so the actions of some trans people are not reflective of all trans people and why should they have to keep defending their "group".

You what

Twatstick is the perfect moniker for the 'female penis'

If this person says they are a transwoman then they are a transwoman.

This is where acceptance without exception, #no debate and the dentons handbook has led us.

Its funny isn’t it that we’re not seeing women identifying as men to try and get into a male prison. The whole thing sickens me. How anyone could consider for even one second that a rapist could/should be placed in a womens prison. If it’s true the victim was forced to say “her penis” then I am even more disgusted. Is this what we’ve come to? I don’t care how “anti trans” it makes me, women do not have a penis!

Why wouldn't they? What does a convicted sex offender have to lose?

And there are around four times more sex offenders* in prison in the UK than there are women in prison.

'As at 31 March 2020 there were 12,774 prisoners serving sentences for sexual offences, which represented 18% of the sentenced prison population'

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-october-to-december-2019/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-october-to-december-2019-and-annual-2019

'As at 30 June 2022, 4% of the prison population were female, this proportion has remained stable for the last 5 years.'

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2021/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2021

*Sex offenders are virtually all (around 98%) male.

I really don't understand this attitude. Are you saying that you think that there is no issue with men choosing to identify as women in order to try and be housed in female prisons rather than because they have any genuine feeling they are women. Or do you not believe that's the case. If you think these people all genuinely believe they are women do you think trans women have an abnormally high incidence of being rapists?

Just to reiterate that:

18% of the prison population are serving sentences for sex offences.
4% of the prison population are female.

Your first thought is 'poor trans people'? This has NOTHING to do with trans people. It's about male predators raping woman.

What do you want, exactly? Those silly women who were raped to just suck up their misery and tolerate the horror so trans people don't get upset? It is this attitude that makes me so damn angry.

Sex offenders need to be sent to the prison appropriate for their born gender.

Their born GENDER ?

It's SEX, not gender.

The gender stuff comes way later.

The article says if convicted the offender will go to a men's prison. Where presumably he won't have an easy time if the offender dresses like a woman or takes hormones to develop breasts.

The system will work through these people, it's not hard to spot someone trying it on. They're not usually genuises.

On the other hand, someone who has been living as a woman for a long period and isn't using it as a ploy to avoid a nastier prison, and who has no history of sexual offending - they'd have an awful time in men's prison, I don't have a problem with someone like that being in a women's prison.

They will wake up and not own their part in keeping this madness going. They'll blame all of us for our tone, our language, our 'shrillness', our age and say, for all these reasons, they couldn't listen to our 'hatefulness'.

Old as the hills. In other news, I'm very much enjoying Hags. Nodding along sadly and sagely.

On the other hand, someone who has been living as a woman for a long period and isn't using it as a ploy to avoid a nastier prison, and who has no history of sexual offending - they'd have an awful time in men's prison, I don't have a problem with someone like that being in a women's prison.

What if the women in the women's prison would have an 'awful time' having men added in with them? Do they not deserve the same consideration as the man?

Where are all the genuine trans people in all of this? Why aren’t they up in arms about people pretending to be trans to get off serious sex offences and prey on women and girls? It’s almost as of TW don’t care about women .

If they do speak up they get vilified and treated horrifically by their own community. I suspect they're trying to quietly just live their lives under the radar. The way they used to be able to in the good old days - the days before anyone could identify as anything and the rest of us be gaslighted into going along with it. No debate.

I won't agree ever that any man is a woman regardles of what they have had cut off or sewn on.
I am not legally obliged to validate the delusions of other individuals so I don't see why I should be required to in the case of trans women?

People can dress how they like, claim to be a different sex, call themselves he , she, or it or the ridiculous They. I don't care, if it floats their boat. Just leave me out of it and don't intrude on my right as a woman to women only spaces .

How about we start advocating for the removal of sexual predators penises when they say they’re a woman. If they’re a woman they don’t need a penis and cannot rape again. I think we’d see a dramatic fall in sex offenders attempting to identify as women

Trans women are women. Men who pretend to be trans women for the reasons you’ve outlined in the OP are not women and they are not trans women either.

If I dressed up as a nurse and assaulted someone, would you blame nurses? If I pretended to be a mother and kidnapped a child from a playground would you blame actual mothers?

We need a better mechanism to stop men being able to claim that they’re trans women and be treated as if they’re women. Blaming trans women for the actions of men who aren’t trans women but are pretending to be trans women is what men want you to do - it’s just another way to blame women for the actions of men.

Bloody madness. IMHO the trans rights activist movement needs to seriously deal with and address the fact that their campaigning is providing excuses for MALE perpetrators of sex crimes. Their socalled 'inclusive' umbrella is harbouring misogynists and rapists. They need to come to grips with that, condemn it and work to root it out.

A woman regardless of whether she's a biological female due to sex or is a TW due to changing her gender does not have a penis end of. (Pardon the pun)
If a man wants to change his gender to TW then he should go down the whole surgery route or at least be in the process of having the surgery done.

And before anyone wants to say I'm a terf, the same applies the other way round.
A man regardless of whether he's a biological male due to sex or is a TM due to changing his gender does not have a vagina, end of.
If a woman wants to change her gender to TM then she should go down the whole surgery route or at least be in the process of having the surgery done.

And to come out with that "oh here we go just another trans issue" don't be ridiculous.
The situation has got ridiculous & it's Emperors New Clothes all over again.

I bet your bottom dollar if it was a legal requirement that you had to have all the counselling, all the hormones & then all the surgery to get a Gender Recognition Certificate to legally change your gender then the number of people declaring that they are a woman would decrease by 90%.
Though funnily enough probably wouldn't affect the number of biological females transitioning to the male gender as the real issue is Autogynephilia

Your normal average TW/TM you know the type we used to have (and still have) who didn't need to shout it from the rooftops - the people who do really suffer from gender dysphoria would be the only ones to put themself through the process of hormones & surgery or be in the process of doing so.
Funnily it isn't that type of TW that goes round sexually assaulting/raping women or that type of TM who goes round sexually assaulting/raping men.

As we know that rape isn't just about sex it's about having power.

I also suspect that at least 95- 98% of the UK if not the worlds population agree with me.

Anyway I'm declaring myself a cat today as I'm so tired that I'm going to sleep most of the day, luckily I can declare myself as a cat today, a woman tomorrow, a dolphin on Thursday, a man on Friday & oh this weekend I'm declaring myself as God. All without having any kind of surgery because if it was a legal requirement to have surgery to transition to anything then I really could not be bothered.
Though to be flippant I'm not sure what surgery you need doing to be legally allowed to declare yourself as God.
Though in my position/situation & a few others it's accepted that there may be times we may be indulged in our belief that we are God (unless it goes to far) then we are sectioned until we are well again.

….and? A site aimed mainly at women is talking about one of the biggest threats to women’s rights in perhaps a century. You either want to bury your head in the sand or want to minimise the issue for some reason.

Spot on, great idea.

I don't agree with this @Squamata

On the other hand, someone who has been living as a woman for a long period and isn't using it as a ploy to avoid a nastier prison, and who has no history of sexual offending - they'd have an awful time in men's prison, I don't have a problem with someone like that being in a women's prison.

Lots of men are vulnerable in a male prison, should they all be moved to the women's? Many of the women in prison are in for lesser crimes and are often victims of male violence. Why should traumatised women be locked up with males? Male bodies may also be triggering. Let's park the fact that men, however they identify, are more likely to be violent and are physically stronger - and statistically trans identified males in the prison system are MORE likely to be there for sex related crimes*, what is it about some males that warrants overriding the rights of highly vulnerable women?

*men who are actually convicted of sex crimes is incredibly low.

If TWAW they could put half the energy they put into calling women terf cunts on Twitter into standing up for womens rights I might have more respect for the TRA movement.

Are TWAW or not? If they are, why don’t the care about women, about female sexual abuse and violence victims?
I suppose that was my point.