Are junior docs really only on £14.09 per hour?

[yawningmorning]

That is so low.

I've seen the headline that you can earn more per hour working in pret.

No wonder they are striking.

There is a huge range of “junior doctors” by the way. I was paid £48K as a 43 year old with 19 years NHS service under my belt. I worked 72 hours long shifts.
It’s a long way from the job that a 24 year old out of med school.

Er you do realise that Junior Doctor is a title that spans many years. Oh wait, you most probably don't.

Taxpayer money isn't supposed to provide lavish lifestyles. That's the basic ethos of having a state funded health service and what people buy into.

Doctors are worth more elsewhere for sure. But that's completely missing the point of our NHS system. If you want rockstar wages then go private or campaign for a privatised health system in the UK.

You sound like you've a massive chip and it just gives your profession a bad rep.

I think ultimately we all value HCP's but just not when the arrogance and entitlement comes through.

It is always people who are probably unemployed, have literally no idea about the profession that are experts on the training and pay of Drs.

That post from @Cloudhoppingdancer is one of the most ignorant things I've read this morning and I'm sure she's a perfectly intelligent person, but to need an argument so much than you are willing to say a junior doctor isn't as skilled as a barista is why this site is getting more ridiculous by the day.

I have no sympathy with junior doctors, everyone has to graft and comparing themselves to baristas pay is so snobbish, typical of this type.

@SamanthaCaine
I agree with your points hence why many feel the NHS is finished. It will happen and the goodwill of many Drs has eroded.

My dd is a barista in the uni holidays. It's a piece of piss. Literally anyone could do it. Of course doctors should be paid more.

There you go denigrating others, great way to garner support. Your just an idiot.

FFS not another one of these poor-doctors-on-the-breadline threads! My sympathy with their Dickensian plight diminishes every time a new one pops up…

*you’re

They're discussing this over on the Mum2mum page on the social media site vibetag.com

Its unbelievable, such a low wage and coffee shop like pret a manger is more apparently.

Well done can you only manage one word my aren't you clever have a cookie.

I fully support the Junior Doctors. The title Junior is misleading - these are all doctors before consultant level. The public forget that on top of huge student loans they have to pay for registration and exams. Working conditions are generally poor. Compare this with the very cushioned position the MPs enjoy whilst spouting untruths about the NHS and its employees.

What a ridiculous and short sighted comment. If the pay isn't competitive, doctors will go abroad to earn more in better conditions. We have to make being a doctor attractive otherwise all the good ones will leave.

And they have to make life or death decisions from day 1. Of course they should be fairly compensated above an average graduate.

If we focus on the "yes doctors can earn more with private practice once qualified" thing to justify low training salaries aren't we going to get more doctors focussing on the lucrative areas (orthopaedics, cardiology) and areas with less out of hours (dermatology) and have a recruitment crisis where cost means almost everything is NHS (Oncology, A&E, urology)... Or has that already been happening.

Moving house regularly costs money, uprooting families, moving away from support networks costs money.

It's not unique to doctors but if we improve conditions for an important profession it doesn't make everyone else's life worse!

@Sockloon
Yawn

Yawn to you too, I`m not the one starting bleeding heart threads every two minutes begging for praise and god status and a gold plated salary 😂

And not every single consultant has the spare time or even wants the hassle and overheads of private practice. Suggesting that everyone does it to level that is lucrative again shows ignorance.

They do this all the time, they mess up and experiment on the poor public then take years from experience gained experimenting on nhs patients to service the rich in private care. Benefitting and milking the system before setting up their own privates. It would be more honest if they just said they're in it for the money.

They do this all the time, they mess up and experiment on the poor public then take years from experience gained experimenting on nhs patients to service the rich in private care. Benefitting and milking the system before setting up their own privates. It would be more honest if they just said they're in it for the money.

Well said 100%

Support for what? The extreme view that working as a doctor in a hospital should be better paid than working in a coffee shop? Don't be daft.

@IreneLady 👏☝