Are junior docs really only on £14.09 per hour?

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That is so low.

I've seen the headline that you can earn more per hour working in pret.

No wonder they are striking.

New teachers were found to average below minimum wage for the hours they actually work. New barristers too. Why is it that these posts only ever focus on doctors? Many, many, many graduate roles in the public sector earn below that per hour. Even those supposedly extortionately highly paid jobs in investment banking are about the same when you factor in the hours worked.

Because doctors train for longer than teachers, for a start. You also need far higher grades at A level in more difficult subjects.

I don't believe the story most pret staff will be minimum wage or just above.

I think you'll find that barristers are not public servants. Sure, they earn peanuts as pupils, but once called to the bar, have unlimited earning potential particularly if in good chambers

Not always. There are teachers with excellent science and maths a levels

Yawn, 🥱 if they don't like it retrain find a new job. Plenty of others will do it, the putty party is growing really old now.

It's comparing the very least a junior doctor can earn, without any of the additional payments and at the very start of their career, with what pret pays their most experienced staff in the most expensive areas. It ignores pensions. It's disingenuous and snobby. There is a reason that while loads of people do quit medicine at some point in training or beyond they don't very often go to work at pret.

Barely longer, barristers don’t study for fewer years or have lower grade requirements.

And you think that doing a postgraduate degree means you should earn below minimum wage per hour just because your A Levels might have been lower?

Let’s ignore the fact that they’ve chosen the absolute highest point in the Pret pay scale for staff who have worked their the longest and compared it to the lowest possible rung of starting salary for doctors.

I support the strikes but the argument that every in the world should earn significantly less than doctors is ridiculous.

The majority of the time.

Dn has just started as a teacher - got poor A levels and has a 2.2 from a low ranked uni and is training while working. It's not really comparable with a junior doctor. She's lovely and I'm sure she'll make a good teacher but on paper there's no reason she should earn as much as someone who spent 7 years in training with a very competitive degree and top A levels.

Some are.

A lot of lawyers work in the public sector on modest wages.

And what about the many teachers who went to universities like Oxbridge and got multiple A*/A grade A Levels?

No one has even said they should be paid more than doctors. Just that it’s far more outrageous that new teachers earn below minimum wage per hour than it is that junior doctors earn 1.5x minimum wage per hour.

thats silly, there isn't anyone to take their places in many cases, same as teachers, the wide holes in school recruitment tells you something surely

It is quite common for teachers to average below the minimum wage per hour for much of their careers

I have been a teacher and a TA - as a TA I earnt more per hour

Many barristers work in the public sector. I’m sure you’ll be aware than the warning potential also sky rockets for doctors.

There are many, many threads on teachers. Today is the junior doctors strike. Let’s not derail another thread with lots of posts about teachers.

I think they have made themselves look incredibly stupid putting out this statement and will have lost a lot of sympathy.
Do they really think this will get the publics backing?

We have a massive shortage of doctors currently, so I'm not so sure this is the answer?

How have you missed that this is the problem in public sector? People are either leaving their profession or continuing their profession in a difficult country.

OP made a comparison between doctors and another profession. I made a response comparing doctors to three other professions, only one of which was teachers. I listed multiple professions. I didn’t make this about teachers any more than I made it about investment bankers, or any more than OP made it about baristas.

Oh ffs this isn't the teachers strike. We all know how hard teachers have it because of the myriad threads on here. Back off.

I support the doctors strike and think they should be paid more.

This. It is a lazy argument.

Exactly.

actually, they don't make very good teachers. The best teachers are the ones who struggled at some point in education themselves

I can believe it - looking at my payslips the take home is even worse after all the student loan deductions….

You’re the person who made this thread focused on teachers. Lots of professions were listed and you jumped on the mention of teachers. You’ve posted three times and posted nothing about anyone other than teachers.

I agree with this.

I don't have any issue with the junior doctors striking, but I find these comparisons between different jobs completely pointless and generally disingenuous (like the ones that compare a nurse's wage with self-employed people like cleaners or plumbers, as was on a thread recently).
Obviously I don't blame the doctors or the nurses for these comparisons, often they aren't the ones making them.