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To carry on applauding Gary Lineker....2 - hoping to see BBC bosses heads roll.

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Nimbostratus100 · 11/03/2023 21:18

Because he was speaking the truth and he is entitled to, without being censored.

I am delighted to see the number of other sports commentators supporting him.

Now lets see Davie resign

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Shulk · 12/03/2023 00:49

Lord Sugar is only the tip of the iceberg. You’ve had the likes of Andrew Neil being transparently partisan for decades.

And, again, does anyone honestly, for one moment, believe that Lineker would have been sanctioned if he expressed support for Braverman?

Anyone?

Notonthestairs · 12/03/2023 00:52

BBC Director General Tim Davie, who was previously a Conservative Party candidate and Deputy Chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party, says that forcing Gary Lineker to step aside is about "delivering on impartiality"

twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1634317428346830849?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

WeAreTheHeroes · 12/03/2023 00:53

No, of course not. He's entitled to his opinion and to be able to express it. I'm delighted others have shown solidarity with him.

Notonthestairs · 12/03/2023 00:56

BBC interviewer: "If Gary Lineker had said to Suella Braverman, 'I support your migrant policy. I back it. It is brilliant.' Would you have removed him from air for that?"

BBC Director General Tim Davie: "I'm not going to get into hypotheticals..."

twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1634673853858234370?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

JoanThursday1972 · 12/03/2023 00:58

Whilst I see the problem with Braverman's phrasing I think Lineker is a two faced tax dodger happy to moan - and his comments were justified - about Qatar but not stand by his words when he trousered over one and a half million pounds for reporting on the world cup held there. He's a stirrer and a nasty little champagne socialist.

Peachy2005 · 12/03/2023 02:16

I think this is great. It’s the first time ever I’m interested in MOTD. My teenagers were separately asking today if we (parents)had heard about it, leading to robust discussions about politics, asylum seekers and free speech…that probably never would have happened if not for Gary Lineker!

I personally think Lineker is the ideal person to take this stand: he is in some ways bigger than the BBC in that he is a respected ex-England player and captain, he doesn’t need the job and he could do the job on any other channel. In truth, the BBC claiming that he has some extra responsibility of impartiality because he is so strongly identified with the BBC is rubbish. He is strongly identified with his sporting career (and crisps!) and he happens to work at the BBC. It’s ludicrous that someone like him, as a sports presenter, should be expected to be bound by a gag order so as not to upset the Govt. I hope his fellow presenters, commentators and all the clubs and players continue to support this action.

Hopefully this Tim Davie person is forced to resign and soon!

SweetSenorita · 12/03/2023 02:33

toomuchlaundry · 12/03/2023 00:49

@MrsandProud a number of posters are saying he doesn’t know what real life is like and I am just saying he comes from quite humble beginnings unlike most of our politicians.

In respect of his tax affairs it is possible that BBC are at fault and HMRC may end up chasing them

Exactly. It was the BBC that insisted certain of their employees operate through intermediary companies. Other presenters have won their cases with HMRC.

Not that Gary's net worth or tax negotiations have anything to do with the issue in question. Neither does the validity of his statement, which was his subjective opinion.

The question is: should the BBC have censored him for his opinion on a newsworthy story? No. They completely overreacted. That's my view. I appreciate other views are available.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 12/03/2023 02:43

Hurrydash · 12/03/2023 00:37

Gosh. Quite a few nasty posts here.
The issue isn't about immigration policy.
Gary Lineker is a BBC presenter and is bound by their guidelines.
He broke them and is prone to the consequences.
If others broke them should be sanctioned too .
Let's hope they are.
But if not that's not a free pass for him.
He has to agree to rein his SM posts in or go and work somewhere else.
Then he can say what he likes subject to the law of the land.

It's pointless saying "let's hope" that others who break the guidelines will be sanctioned. The fact is, they weren't.

Oblomov23 · 12/03/2023 03:31

I disagree with @TheLostNights :

"But how can anyone take him seriously when he is so far removed from the reality. He has taken in refugees sure. But you can bet your bottom dollar that they would have been carefully screened and selected. Hardly the same thing as selecting a random young man off one of the boats.
That is what is getting peoples backs up. Being preached to by a multi millionaire who lives very differently to the vast majority of us."

This is what is getting peoples backs up?

Is it? That he lives a privileged life? Being preached to?

I don't feel like that.

I wasn't impressed that World Cup went to Qatar. Think UEFA are corrupt, the timing of the competition was wrong, the hotels weren't even built, they used slave Labour to do work. People were up in arms saying I won't watch. I never felt that way. Not watching, once the decision had already been made helped no one. So as a football lover I watched and enjoyed. GL The was paid very well to go and commentate. That's his job. But he also objected. I liked that he did.

What his views are, if he's s nice person, if he's political. To me this is all totally irrelevant. This is about free speech. He's perfectly entitled to say what he wants. If people don't like it, fine. If he gets dropped by sponsors that's GL 's choice to tame his views or not. For money. But free speech, his, yours, mine. Should matter to us all.

User1638690 · 12/03/2023 05:42

I must say I agree with the BBC but still looking forward to their downfall

Yellowdays · 12/03/2023 05:57

One rule for their mates, another for people with opinions they dispute.

hattie43 · 12/03/2023 06:57

Don't like GL at all. Nothing worse than champagne socialists who spout forth but are not effected by whatever they're banging on about . The only people who have a right to talk about immigration are the communities who will live with them . They will be the ones dealing with all the issues they bring good or bad. For or against only their voices should be heard .
I also wonder if all those in support would pay higher taxes to pay for them , There is too much Islington socialism defying common sense these days permeating everything . We're on a road to nowhere .

LlynTegid · 12/03/2023 07:00

Even if we all agreed with the Director General's actions, and he was not and never had been a member of any political party, he should still go. It is a management failure to have no plan B for one of your high profile programmes and one which apparently is a double figure percentage of your sports budget.

If you rely on people who have other incomes and are freelance for much of the programme, anyone with any management skills knows that they could all decide to be unavailable for whatever reason.

NastyNiff · 12/03/2023 07:11

Twinstudy · 11/03/2023 23:38

All this 'ooh I don't like him, he's too rich/champagne socialist/said something I don't like/eats the wrong crisps' whatever is all completely irrelevant and totally undermines your argument. The point is he's allowed to air his views or he's not, and if he's not then how come others are? You can't have the likes of Alan Sugar or Andrew Neil promoting pro Tory views and not allow lineker his opposing view.

Can you seriously tell me that if he'd tweeted in support of 'Ban the boats' he'd have been in trouble? Can people really not see how scary it is that the BBC is being censored by the government ? And does state censoring of media really not ring any bells of certain times in history? We're supposed to learn from history FFS.

This

LaRitournelle · 12/03/2023 07:14

Shulk · 11/03/2023 22:50

All of the arguments about whether or not Gary Lineker is a good person are completely besides the point.

Yep!

You can dislike a person and still agree with their stance on something, even Piers Morgan has sided with him.

Also people saying 'well MOTD was shite', again, not the point!

ohfook · 12/03/2023 07:16

TheLostNights · 11/03/2023 22:39

He is certainly no saint. Is actually crazy how he is being made into one. Had no qualms about being paid for going to Qatar, is a tax dodger and does not live in the real world. He doesn't have to live amongst the problems that many are experiencing when living near migrant hotels for example.

All of that can still coexist with the fact that a freelance sport's presenter should be able to express his opinions on his own social media page if other BBC presenters have also been afforded the same freedom (which they have).

Quartz2208 · 12/03/2023 07:21

TwoMonthsOff · 12/03/2023 00:08

Absolutely - well said - plus his purchase of his Barbados home a few years back avoiding paying tax to the Barbadian government
i bet he’s shitting himself -again- thinking of losing his cushy tax payer funded ridiculously overpaid job

Not at all, given there are credible rumours that BT sport want him to be the face of their football rebranded channel from next season and I imagine Viaplay would want him for international. BBC has lost a lot of football it’s only the flagship nature of MoD that has kept the people it’s kept. It now is in danger of losing them all and there are enough channels to get them all jobs.

it was a massive error by the bbc the programme last night was laughable

ohfook · 12/03/2023 07:26

QueenCamilla · 11/03/2023 23:50

I don't get the fuss.
It is a very boring case of another rich, privileged, woke celeb supporting a "liberal" cause, no sense or reason required. The only argument = if you're not us, you're Hitler.

I'm not rich enough to afford the views of slebs who are anti-deporting criminals or anti-controlled migration.

I live amidst the consequences of the Liberal posturing.

I don't care for Lineker keeping his football job either way. I'm just surprised that after the BLM scandal the ball chasers haven't learned to keep it zipped.

He wasn't saying if you're or us you're Hitler. He was discussing the way language is used to desensitise people to the humanity of the people on boats and comparing it to the language used against Jewish people in the 1930s. He's correct it isn't dissimilar though I would argue it wasn't just limited to Germany in the 1930s. Many newspapers in the U.K. were guilty of this too.

What I find most ironic is this months BBC history magazine, in the review of Martin Davidson's new book, expressed an incredibly similar opinion to GL.

Catspyjamas17 · 12/03/2023 07:29

I don't want the BBC destroyed, I want this government destroyed, for one thing for what they have done to the BBC.

User1638690 · 12/03/2023 07:34

Quartz2208 · 12/03/2023 07:21

Not at all, given there are credible rumours that BT sport want him to be the face of their football rebranded channel from next season and I imagine Viaplay would want him for international. BBC has lost a lot of football it’s only the flagship nature of MoD that has kept the people it’s kept. It now is in danger of losing them all and there are enough channels to get them all jobs.

it was a massive error by the bbc the programme last night was laughable

Hopefully they will all go off there and take the football with them

ohfook · 12/03/2023 07:34

toomuchlaundry · 12/03/2023 00:49

@MrsandProud a number of posters are saying he doesn’t know what real life is like and I am just saying he comes from quite humble beginnings unlike most of our politicians.

In respect of his tax affairs it is possible that BBC are at fault and HMRC may end up chasing them

This. I find it odd when people criticise footballers for voicing their political opinions as though they know nothing about the real world. a) politics should be for everyone. It's a dangerous move to suggest only the highly educated should have a political opinion.
b) most footballers have come from working class beginning so are likely to understand 'real world' issues far better than someone born into extreme wealth and subsequently lived their entire life only mixing with other very wealthy people.

I love it when pop stars, footballers, soap actors talk politics - we should all care about how the country is governed.

Nimbostratus100 · 12/03/2023 07:35

TheLostNights · 11/03/2023 23:03

But how can anyone take him seriously when he is so far removed from the reality. He has taken in refugees sure. But you can bet your bottom dollar that they would have been carefully screened and selected. Hardly the same thing as selecting a random young man off one of the boats.
That is what is getting peoples backs up. Being preached to by a multi millionaire who lives very differently to the vast majority of us.

screened for what?

screened by who?

I don't think you have any understanding or experience of what you are talking about

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borntobequiet · 12/03/2023 07:35

Shulk · 11/03/2023 22:50

All of the arguments about whether or not Gary Lineker is a good person are completely besides the point.

This.

Nimbostratus100 · 12/03/2023 07:36

Shulk · 11/03/2023 22:50

All of the arguments about whether or not Gary Lineker is a good person are completely besides the point.

exactly.

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Nimbostratus100 · 12/03/2023 07:37

I am a teacher, and a desperately want the BBC to survive- BBC bitesize is the most important and valuable resource available to me.

But I don't want it to survive in the form of a tory controlled mouthpiece

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