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To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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marmaladeo · 11/03/2023 16:55

This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

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HannibalHeyes · 11/03/2023 17:42

I've noticed the "Linekar" spelling quite a bit on twitter as well. Is it the Russian bot farms do you think?

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 17:43

IMustDoMoreExercise · 11/03/2023 17:42

The differnce is that she and this government is allowing, if not encouraging mainly non-white legal immigration. I very much doubt that Hitler would have welcomed non-white, non-blond, non-christian people to Germany in the 1930s.

They are trying to deter illegal immigration.

How have you got this far through the week still beliving that asylum seekers can be illegal?

Rhondaa · 11/03/2023 17:43

AmericasfavoritefightingFrenchman · 11/03/2023 17:41

@TheSnugglyDuckling the comparison he’s making isn’t between Jews of German nationality and immigrants trying to cross the Chanel. The comparison is of the language used by two different governments to describe a group of people that were unwelcome to those governments.

Peopel are so disingenuous. We all know exactly what he was implying by his 'Germany' comments. Inflammatory and goady.

ThisNameIsNotAvailable · 11/03/2023 17:43

marmaladeo · 11/03/2023 17:19

It focuses on stopping the boats, not stopping immigration.

I lived in Australia when they introduced a similar policy. It was also controversial, but it stopped (most of) the boats.

Australia has a terrible reputation regarding immigration and human rights. Why anyone would think that this would ‘sell’ the argument is beyond me.

LakeTiticaca · 11/03/2023 17:44

It's nothing like the Nazis of the 1930s. What Lineker and his sycophants have neglected to take into consideration that the Jews in Germany were GERMAN. They rounded up from their OWN homes, in their OWN country, and sent to the gas Chambers. They were NOT illegal immigrants coming from safe countries to be fed and housed by the UK taxpayers.

HannibalHeyes · 11/03/2023 17:45

LakeTiticaca · 11/03/2023 17:44

It's nothing like the Nazis of the 1930s. What Lineker and his sycophants have neglected to take into consideration that the Jews in Germany were GERMAN. They rounded up from their OWN homes, in their OWN country, and sent to the gas Chambers. They were NOT illegal immigrants coming from safe countries to be fed and housed by the UK taxpayers.

And, as many similar posters have deliberately misinterpreted - it's not the people that are being compared, it's the language used.

Do keep up...

Rhondaa · 11/03/2023 17:45

HannibalHeyes · 11/03/2023 17:42

I've noticed the "Linekar" spelling quite a bit on twitter as well. Is it the Russian bot farms do you think?

Folk supporting him have misspelt it on other threads. Are they bots too?
Lineker/Linekar who cares, we all know who we are talking about.

Novatherova · 11/03/2023 17:46

Iam4eels · 11/03/2023 17:25

You don't need to do a deep-dive into 1930s Nazi propaganda to find similarities, a cursory Google will show you glaringly obvious ones.

Another recent piece of legislation with massive similarities was an amendment to the online safety bill stating that content showing people crossing the Channel in “a positive light” will be illegal and that tech platforms must proactively prevent such content from reaching users.

To draw even more comparisons, the Nazis literally had a plan to ship Jewish people to Africa and abandon them there. Sounds mighty familiar, doesn't it....?

The Holocaust didn't start with people being dragged away in the night and shipped off to their deaths. It's started with othering in the media, a "them Vs us" rhetoric, provocative language about "swarms" overrunning 'us', creating a common enemy/common struggle for people to unite against, controlling the media, controlling elections and the electorate, and so on. It was a steady drip of hate so that by the time it ramped up people would just accept it, they'd turn a blind eye, they'd even actively support it because they'd been conditioned into thinking it was the only way to deal with the problem.

Omg my blood turned to ice reading that.

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 17:46

Why the name change for this thread OP?

Lineker did not compare the plight of people coming over in boats to the plight of Jewish people in Nazi Germany. He talked about the danger of the language being used and the similarities to that used in 1930s Germany.

He was right to do so.

skippy67 · 11/03/2023 17:47

LakeTiticaca · 11/03/2023 17:44

It's nothing like the Nazis of the 1930s. What Lineker and his sycophants have neglected to take into consideration that the Jews in Germany were GERMAN. They rounded up from their OWN homes, in their OWN country, and sent to the gas Chambers. They were NOT illegal immigrants coming from safe countries to be fed and housed by the UK taxpayers.

Asylum seekers aren't illegal immigrants. They're asylum seekers. Or f do you not care about the difference between the two?

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 11/03/2023 17:47

DumpedinKilburn · 11/03/2023 17:28

Bollocks!

At least you realise that's what you're spouting

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 17:47

LakeTiticaca · 11/03/2023 17:44

It's nothing like the Nazis of the 1930s. What Lineker and his sycophants have neglected to take into consideration that the Jews in Germany were GERMAN. They rounded up from their OWN homes, in their OWN country, and sent to the gas Chambers. They were NOT illegal immigrants coming from safe countries to be fed and housed by the UK taxpayers.

Come on now, you can't have missed all the explanations that asylum seekers cannot be illegal. That you think they are rather demonstrates Lineker's point for him.

MrsandProud · 11/03/2023 17:48

Illegal and uncontrolled immigration needs to stop.

I don't care about semantics, hyperbole, drama or the 'she said'/'he said' circus

IMustDoMoreExercise · 11/03/2023 17:48

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 17:43

How have you got this far through the week still beliving that asylum seekers can be illegal?

Of course they can be. They need to claim at the first safe country and they are not doing so.

skippy67 · 11/03/2023 17:49

MrsandProud · 11/03/2023 17:48

Illegal and uncontrolled immigration needs to stop.

I don't care about semantics, hyperbole, drama or the 'she said'/'he said' circus

Evidently.

NotWaterproof · 11/03/2023 17:49

Another recent piece of legislation with massive similarities was an amendment to the online safety bill stating that content showing people crossing the Channel in “a positive light” will be illegal and that tech platforms must proactively prevent such content from reaching users.

Yes, it disgusted me also.

They took a lesson from those keen on 'thought police' going around arresting people who understand biology and I guess they assumed that those who agree with that type of though criminal will agree to this type of though control.

MrsandProud · 11/03/2023 17:50

ThisNameIsNotAvailable · 11/03/2023 17:43

Australia has a terrible reputation regarding immigration and human rights. Why anyone would think that this would ‘sell’ the argument is beyond me.

Define 'reputation' please. 'Reputation' according to who?

Rhondaa · 11/03/2023 17:51

'And, as many similar posters have deliberately misinterpreted - it's not the people that are being compared, it's the language used.'

🥱

It wasn't the language, it was the situation. We all know it. Plenty of other actual relevant examples he could have used about governments attempting to control illegal immigration, no doubt similar language would be used.

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 17:51

IMustDoMoreExercise · 11/03/2023 17:48

Of course they can be. They need to claim at the first safe country and they are not doing so.

Jesus H Christ on a bike. Here we go again. You need to watch the video where Gullis is made to look a right dick for not understanding this is not the case.

Agh. I'm not getting involved this time.

Mrshook · 11/03/2023 17:52

Gary Lineker is not the only person questioning the choice of language www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/confronted-suella-braverman-holocaust-survivor-refugees-home-secretary

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 17:52

IMustDoMoreExercise · 11/03/2023 17:48

Of course they can be. They need to claim at the first safe country and they are not doing so.

Another good demonstration of how the government has done to you exactly what Lineker is saying.

The 1951 convention explicitly says that asylum seekers can claim asylum in any safe country.

The government really have done a number on you.

MrsandProud · 11/03/2023 17:52

C8H10N4O2 · 11/03/2023 17:19

Its exactly the style of othering, dehumanising language used by authoritarian regimes through history. 1930s Germany absolutely used this kind of language as it built up hate for an "othered" group as part of campaigning which led to the Nazi regime. Its a valid comparison.

Define 'othered' in this context please

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 17:53

Rhondaa · 11/03/2023 17:51

'And, as many similar posters have deliberately misinterpreted - it's not the people that are being compared, it's the language used.'

🥱

It wasn't the language, it was the situation. We all know it. Plenty of other actual relevant examples he could have used about governments attempting to control illegal immigration, no doubt similar language would be used.

In the past 10 minutes there have been two separate posters demonstrating precisely the point that Lineker was making about the language that is being used.

Until you and everyone else including the government accepts that there is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker and that asylum seekers can seek asylum in any safe country then Lineker will continue to be right.

Iam4eels · 11/03/2023 17:53

IMustDoMoreExercise · 11/03/2023 17:48

Of course they can be. They need to claim at the first safe country and they are not doing so.

Under the terms of the 1951 Refugee Convention there is no requirement to claim asylum in the first "safe country" reached.

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 17:54

MrsandProud · 11/03/2023 17:52

Define 'othered' in this context please

Calling people illegal for a start.

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