To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

DumpedinKilburn
I’m Jewish. Please don’t speak for me.

I think, actually, it's quite offensive to try and assign political affiliation to this.

Ultimately it's a moral and ethical argument. The legislation that Braverman and Sunak are trying to pass is - being kind - pushing the boundaries of legality. It's totally ignoring The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 14), which states that everyone has the right to seek and enjoy asylum from persecution in other countries.

And - through the language that's been and is being used to describe asylum seekers - it looks to portray them as 'those people'. Which is othering. In other words, trying to suggest that they are undesirable and illegal. Whereas, actually, the UK risks being the illegal party in this awful process. There's absolutely no attempt to allow any compassion for the situation that 'these people' may be fleeing from. No attempt to understand just why they would risk their lives (and commit huge sums of money) to flee from their countries to come here.

Let us also not forget that it's our government that has closed off any legal means of entry - unless people are trying to come here from Hong Kong, Ukraine or Afghanistan.

I don't care if you're a UKIP supporter or you're from Momentum. If you support any of this, then you are hideous.

And I stand firmly with Gary Lineker and all his colleagues who are standing up for him. He has every right to call just how abominable our government is being in trying to introduce this legislation.

Dickens was perturbed by the return to power of the Tories, whom he described as "people whom, politically, I despise and abhor."

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And there are very few truly trafficked men. I know this and I stand by it -

Have you got any evidence for this please? @Moonicorn

"I know this" ain't gonna cut it for me!

Thanks @FurAndFeathers 💐

Excellent!

Well actually it does seem there are a few Tories who do not like this proposed law either. It is extreme. Braverman likes it because it engages her supporters but they are extreme right wing. Most people, most Tory voters are not like that. This thing with Lineker is self inflicted- so keen to get his scalp some Conservatives haven't thought about what it will look like

I’m not sure polling shows that tbh

@LexMitior Priti Patel is apparently against some parts of this bill. And “Too inhumane for Priti Patel” isn’t a phrase you see very often.

(From memory she’s against the new powers to detain and remove lone children but I only skimmed the article so may have misremembered that.)

@MarshaBradyo - I'm sure you could find me a poll that says some people are concerned about it but not before cost of living and the NHS. It's not a mass vote winner. If this Bill becomes law by the next election I will be surprised.

That is a lot of nothing. I imagine it will engage the 25 percent of people who are planning to vote Tory. I don't think it will do for many others.

@BewareTheLibrarians - yes I'm not that surprised because this law is probably something Priti Patel has seen already as Home Secretary- as I read this law, it's about Braverman and her ambition. Practically it may never come into effect.

The support seems quite high when asked specifically. A different picture to mn threads.

Whether it or other factors will change votes we’ll see.

@BewareTheLibrarians @LexMitior I honestly can't see it getting through the Lords, on all benches.

@LexMitior Yep, sounds like quite a few Tories who don’t support all the contents this bill.

“The former home secretary Priti Patel is considering a potentially explosive intervention in the Commons on Monday over the bill. Patel, herself regarded as on the right and a hardliner on immigration while in charge at the Home Office, is one of several Tory MPs who are known to have serious concerns and are seeking reassurances or changes to the bill this weekend.

Several senior Tories are particularly worried about changes to the way children will be treated when arriving in the UK, and the way in which the new bill comes close to breaching international law. One former minister told the Observer the changes to rules on children “make me sick just to mention” and would have to be modified.”

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/11/revealed-child-refugees-will-be-detained-or-deported-under-small-boats-plan?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1678561780

Well @MarshaBradyo if this law is passed and operating before the next election I will be surprised! And that will have its own problems at the ballot box.

Did anyone here predict Sunak would lose support of the party before Windsor Agreement?

I remember seeing a few posts. But he did get even the tough ones on side in the end.

@BewareTheLibrarians - yes, the women and children are going to be locked up. And if that isn't a public relations disaster (quite apart from a moral and legal disaster) then I think that Conservatives have really just tipped over into something that they will regret. The kind of blood and soil support they are getting, along with the underlying racism will stick to those responsible for a while.

It sounds like there are a fair few Tory Ministers who are worried for themselves. So they should be.

Also, they are all posturing, worried about their careers. You don't give half a billion to the French if you think you are going to lock people up in the UK. We haven't the space to do this.

This is all red meat for racists.

No attempt to understand just why they would risk their lives (and commit huge sums of money) to flee from their countries to come here.

You are kidding right?

Even Amnesty knows the men imprisoned and sent home by Libya are on arrested on the way North to find money because they don't like the working conditions at home.

Took the words right Our of my mouth. I wonder all the people falling for the government rhetoric while they let energy companies taking the piss out of us and Hand out contracts to their cronies …are they so lacking in critical thinking or just want an excuse to be inhospitable?

We don’t have to take any notice of anything he says at all. He’s just giving an opinion not deciding policy. And as it’s nothing to do with his job, why shouldn’t he be free to state his opinion whether people agree with it or not?

I really don't understand your post - it doesn't make sense.

My bloke (30 years in the Army) has never voted anything but Conservative. This is the final straw in a process that started with Barnard Castle. He’s now torn between not voting at all or spoiling his paper - like I did in 2019. He might return to the Tories around 2030 but they’re thrown his vote away for now.

LexMitior speaks a lot of sense. "Red meat to the racists" sums it up pretty well.

Yep, you know that the Tory party is going overboard when...www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/11/revealed-child-refugees-will-be-detained-or-deported-under-small-boats-plan