To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

I don't agree with Gary Lineker but I feel he should be allowed to express his views. He was not breaking any law and his role on the BBC is non-political.

Does Europe need liberating?

I don't see a great outcry about the 2.9million Hong Kongers who have the right to move to the UK any time they choose.

“So why don’t the men crossing the channel do the same?”

Because civil wars are not the same at world wars. I wouldn’t think that’s a complex point.

On the New Quiz this week one of their jokes was that the UK based traffickers will soon work out there’s more money to be made trafficking people out of the UK than in 😁

Well, do enlighten me - with specifics

Good luck waiting for that to happen ;

It isn’t. They didn’t even try to defend their country despite the British and Americans training them for years and spending millions on their equipment. Now they want to come here 🤷🏼‍♀️ we’ve done our bit. We should take the women and children only who have been utterly shafted.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(philosophy)#:~:text=The%20term%20Othering%20describes%20the,subordinate%20category%20of%20the%20Other.

When you say we have done our bit, where you in Afganistan fighting and training alongside the Afgans?

Othering:

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/darwins-subterranean-world/201904/the-psychology-othering

One of the powerful lessons of the social and behavioral sciences pertains to the ineradicable nature of the ingroup/outgroup effect (Billig & Tajfel, 1973). In short, this effect speaks to how we differentially treat those whom we see as "in our group" versus those whom we see as some kind of "other," meaning someone who is defined as in "some group other than my own group."

In other words - when people are "othered", they are seen as not being "in your group" but in a different group which we treat differently.

It is naive in the extreme to imagine you can invade a country and assume the consequences stay in that country. War is not like that. Saying that we've done our bit is not realistic.

I'm less concerned with asylum per de than immigration policy (we could have done that very differently).

Of course it has got worse as the Conservatives spent less and less on enforcement and processing claims, prosecuting smugglers and aggravating the French and leaving the EU. This is all self inflicted.

They don't get anywhere near the police. The have lawyers ready to submit their application for asylum within 48 hours of being taken off a boat by the RN or border patrol.

Obviously there's no war in Albanian so slavery is the current claim being made. We've got 40,000 Albanian men here claiming they are slaves.

Meanwhile all you guardian reading liberal public sector workers who hate the armed forces, unless they are going to Ukraine of course, think they are poor likkle victims instead of criminal gangs running cannabis farms and sending cash home for the family.

It's all quite dickensian really, reminds of the circumlocution office.

Dickens really had the Lefty do gooders off to a fine art.

Yes modern slavery for construction ha been a significant problem in the UK for a number of years and increasing
www.chas.co.uk/knowledge-base/spot-stop-modern-slavery-construction/

And that’s your idea of civilised discussion is it?

The language used by the Nazis in 1930's Germany would have been very different to that of the UK Government.
German, probably.

Am I a Guardian reading public sector worker who hates the armed forces?

I can see you seem to have a view of your In Group and Out group - and are keen to make sweeping statements about groups.

I think Dickens might have been a bit of a lefty do gooder. Have you read A Christmas Carol?

Apparently we all are.

I must tell my DP - he’s in the military so he’ll be disappointed to hear that a stranger on the internet has decided I hate him 😂

@Anklespraying It’s not about believing they’re lovable rogues or “poor likkle victims”. or any other pointless insults you want to throw around. It’s about believing that any person is allowed fair access to legal advice and treatment rather than discriminating against them based in a flawed idea of their country of origin.

Believing that certain people aren’t worthy of access to legal advice, or don’t deserve certain human rights because of where they’re from or how they arrive in a country isn’t a great precedent to set, is it.

Yes I thought the same.
tale of two cities and David copperfield are also pretty lefty.

perhaps @Anklespraying has him confused with another author?

I'm trying to work out whether by being ex forces I hate myself now, or hate myself in the past. It is all a bit confusing.

I always find it rather disappointing when I find forces personal without critical thinking skills, it is so important in modern warfare as we have seen in Ukraine.

Yes - exactly this - thank you @BewareTheLibrarians