To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

Albanian men are relocating here to farm cannabis. They get the legal right to stay by claiming to be modern slaves.

Thank you for this link @Mrshook. If anyone feels that Lineker isn’t in a position to be expressing such concerns please read and watch. Here’s someone challenging Braverman on the same issues who absolutely is in a position to understand and challenge.

Well, it’s not an open borders system. The government would have control over numbers entering (compared to now, where they have much less control.)

Btw @Moonicorn I’d really appreciate it if you didn’t tag me in on your abhorrent views about men and your refusal to believe they can be victims of anything. Yes, men can be trafficked, for work in cannabis farms for eg. And if you’ve never had to support someone dealing with complex trauma as they were locked in a house for 2 years with no access to medical care, sunlight or any outside world, then lucky you. You get to believe the “they’re all told what to say” over the evidence of your own eyes and the medical records. I’m just not interested in your unevidenced misandry.

Fair question. Is Labor in Aus right wing?

Do you think the police and CPS are completely incompetent? And the National Referral Mechanism is that easy to access? Victims have been kept waiting for years for decisions.

The government hasn’t even reinstated the modern slavery commissioner (leaving this position unfilled is unlawful, to add to the list). I mean, now we know why but again it means trafficking in the UK will get worse.

Australia is the opposite of what we want to achieve. Nauru is an abomination that no civilised country should tolerate.

Again, who here is calling for open borders? Can’t see a single post.

It's such dog whistle stuff. I hope they are rewarded with what will happen, total failure, international opprobrium, half a billion to the French, and an election loss.

Braverman can get on with agitating against the ECHR in opposition. I assume that given the right wing nature of the Tories she will survive.

Yes. Most are grunts like I said, low down in the pecking order but still there consensually with a view to ‘rising through the ranks’. They know to say they’ve been trafficked if they get caught. Tactic also used by British criminals.

This is an important point. Some people do not seem to want to live in a civilised country, the rule of law is apparently not important to them.

Interesting that the LBC lawyer is saying that GL is not an employee of the BBC.

It applies to freelancers too. Is that what they mean?

He is also saying that no one apart from GL, the BBC and their lawyers know what is in his contract. Funny how so many on here seem to know what is in it.

It's the way it goes. Fortunately for them should there ever be a need, the armed forces still risk their lives for those citizens that hold them in such contempt.

The irony of that snotty remark in the context of lineker appropriating the last world war to castigate us.

Of course those of us that would risk our lives to defend other citizens and our border and have actually done that, are to be treated with disgust as right wing extremists.

Most woolly minded liberals like the posters here didn't want to go to war with Germany either.

Well said!

😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂

You speak like you’re the only person with experience of anything. You’re not.

On any other mumsnet thread if you try to bring up the ‘victimisation of men’ you get laughed off the thread. It’s only because there’s a racial element that it’s all suddenly ‘not my Nigel/refugee’.

To say these men are not inherently patriarchal or misogynistic (and I mean properly, not just
micro aggressions) is to say women in Northern Africa and the Middle East are lying about their oppression. Are you? If not, why are these migrants less likely to view women as inferior than any of their other countrymen?

And there are very few truly trafficked men. I know this and I stand by it - like I said it’s become a fashionable excuse for low-down grunts in criminal structures across the country, not just Albanians but also British ones.

It’s not good. Most on here would appreciate it if it meant safety for them and their dc. I would.

I don’t think any system re just safe routes will stop the boats and I’m not sure the public will be ok with numbers rising.

Say 200k or 500k or whatever. Is there a point where most feel uncomfortable with number of arrivals?

Don't be stupid. The British Army that fought Hitler was drawn from ordinary men. They were not soldiers. They were civilians.

Civvies, you know. @Anklespraying the British army has never faced a threat in your life time the like of which devastated Europe. You are just dealing out rot. Our grandfathers became soldiers to liberate Europe, and then they went home and became civilians because they wanted their old lives back. You don't get to do blood and glory on here

As for ‘othering’, if saying somebody doesn’t have the legal right to stay here is ‘othering’ them, does that mean we’re ‘othering’ the rest of the world as well?

In which case, how is it that Sugar, Packham and Hislop retain their contracts?

So why don’t the men crossing the channel do the same?

That is not what "othering" means.

Just in the interests of factual accuracy, prior to the start of WW2 it was right wing newspapers like the Daily Mail "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" that were determined not to go to war with Germany not the most left leaning or liberal ones.

Do you think that all current and ex members of armed forces think that Lineker tweeted inappropriately?

Also I am a little confused by why you would think WW2 was the last war. Rather an insult to the memory of those who have given their lives to protect the country since then I would have thought.

“And there are very few truly trafficked men”

Yet you’re unable to provide any evidence to back this up. 🤷🏻‍♀️