To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

What’s wrong with my answer? Do you want to write it for me..

It’s what I think. Not sure you get to decide I’ve not said the right thing

The journey from the Middle East or Africa is physically dangerous so very difficult for women and children. On top of that, there’s a very high risk of rape, kidnap and trafficking for women and children (for men too tbh). Families can often only afford to fund one person (by selling their house, using all the family’s saving etc) so have to choose the physically strongest/most resilient. That’s why you see more young men.

Of course, the government’s refusal to set up safe routes and resettlement schemes means that women and children are therefore abandoned in unsafe conditions and unable to reach safety.

Honestly, if you don’t have the capacity to read and respond to questions, don’t worry about it. I don’t want to tax you and I suspect on that basis, the responses wouldn’t be exactly illuminating

This

I'm not ignorant thank you. I merely want to know why it is mainly young men coming over on boats? Where are all these poor women and their dc?

I think you know the answer don't you.

I see. Must answer as you want or not illuminating.

Such superiority. Can do a good rant but that’s about it.

I'm also Jewish and I'm not sick of it being used as a comparison. When will people learn from history? Lineker is on point with what he says.

My answer was what you meant?

Well you’re clearly ignorant of the answer to that question (despite it being answered several times very recently) and have stated that you aren’t willing to make any effort to find any knowledge.

it’s not behaviour that is indicative of someone who is not ignorant trying to find information tbh.

@pasta4metonight 👆👆

Throwing insults to try and instigate an argument because you’ve nothing meaningful to contribute? Nag! I can’t be arsed with that. If you’ve nothing relevant to add, go pick a fight elsewhere.
Seems like the PP was right and this must be typical behaviour for you.

I guess any attention is better than no attention for some. How tedious.

You're not really interested in this topic, are you? If you'd spent 5 minutes, trying to find out, you'd know.

But a q: if you could find the money to send one or two family members over - to trek through countries and then take a dangerous boat over - would you send yoor 5/15 year old daughter and/or 75 year old mother? Or would you maybe send your 19 year old son? Would you not care about the vulnerability, risk of getting raped, the sheer physical strength needed etc?

He's not an egoist, he's housed Syrian and Ukrainian refugees so his actions back up his words, he's not just saying it for the likes.

It's interesting to read about dehumanising people. Being able to dehumanise people, to put people into an outgroup. and putting people into moral exclusion, where the outgroups are subject to a different set of moral values, rules, and fairness than are used in social relations with ingroup members.

When individuals dehumanise others, they no longer experience distress when they treat them poorly.

(Lifted from Wikipedia)

You can see dehumanisation throughout history. When you hear about soldiers in warfare, you can hear them talking about dehumanising the enemy.

Language matters. If people can dehumanise those who come here by boat, then I guess it makes it easier to turn a blind eye to how they are treated.

What’s going on you seem a bit overwrought. My post was what I think. I honestly don’t know why you’re overreacting so much.

The Aus situation is interesting to look at for political reasons. For some reason this is setting you off massively.

You don’t have to find what I say interesting of course not, usually people are ok with my posts (and some complain I don’t respond) but it’s weird to get upset because I’ve given you an answer that doesn’t comply somehow. Genuinely no idea why.

Anyway it’s just a view on Aus immigration policy don’t let it get to you this much

There is no need to keep repeating yourself. I don't agree with a lot of things the various governments have done and are doing. The country is in a big enough mess without adding to it. Our services are shite, the cost of everything is crippling many people and there are so many homeless or in sub standard accomodation. I can't get worked up about anything else such as the bollocks on MN sometimes.
We need to look after our own country first and then help others, asylum seekers with real problems from war zones etc, yes we should help. But others pass through so many other countries to get to soft touch Britain.
Are the bleeding hearts on here opening their homes to help them?
People might not agree with me but then I don't have to agree with them either.

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I don't know why this isn't obvious to everyone. This is so basic that it's incomprehensible that it has to be told over and over again.

Here is a helpful video that explains how the law was carefully written so as to be perfectly clear that asylum seekers can claim asylum in any country they choose to go to.

twitter.com/crimlawuk/status/1634330359839031301

Do take 5 minutes to watch it I think you will find it most informative.

sorry what’s your point?

I’m unclear how you think supporting the policy of a government that has literally created all of the problems for UK citizens that you’ve listed addresses those problems?

But again, I will refer to the UNHCR statistics which show this view is wrong. The vast majority do not pass through safe countries. 69% are hosted in neighbouring countries. The UK does not appear in the top 10 countries in terms of the number of refugees we take.
So by saying you aren’t happy with the few who do come here are you saying that we shouldn’t take any at all? That only if the country next to yours happens to have a war does it affect you?
That Turkey, who, for example, currently have 3.7 million refugees, while also dealing with their own major natural disaster, should just have to get on with it while we look on because they happen to be next to Syria?

This is worth a read - it puts a bit of context around what Gary actually wrote and the term Fascism in general, which is bandied about freely amongst both sides of the political spectrum.

gladstonediaries.blogspot.com/2023/03/how-do-we-talk-about-fascism.html?m=1

When your claim might not be considered
Your claim might not be considered if you:

are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:

you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed

Straight off the government website....so yes I do know....

When your claim might not be considered
Your claim might not be considered if you:

are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:

you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed